Europe 2023 - Plus 508 SW Hybrid review!

[Mike T]

In a month we'll be headed to Europe for 6 weeks. Sadly - post Brexit - it's no longer possible to bring a car on TT plates into the UK, so we have to rent something there (probably an Octavia). But for 23 days on the Continent, we will be taking delivery of a brand new 508 SW Hybrid.

The top speed of the car is said to be 250 (155 MPH) so we will see if there's a chance to try that out on our way to and from München.

The official fuel consumption figures are impossibly low (presuming electric only operation) so I'd be happy with 6.x L/100 km overall.

We will probably be driving it about 8000 km, to the very south of Spain and back. Generic 508 SW photo for context.

[SRDT]

250, did you go with the top of the line PSE? The 225hp hybrid is at 240 and the 180 at 230km/h.

As a plug-in hybrid if you want to keep good performance and low fuel consumption you need to charge it as often as possible.

Once discharged the big battery turn into dead weight.

[Goce]

Nice ride for a long journey, if you're coming or passing thru macedonia, contact me. I'll be honor to meet you in person, also we can compare the new 508sw to my "409"sw

[Mike T]

13 hours ago, SRDT said:

250, did you go with the top of the line PSE? The 225hp hybrid is at 240 and the 180 at 230km/h.

As a plug-in hybrid if you want to keep good performance and low fuel consumption you need to charge it as often as possible.

Once discharged the big battery turn into dead weight.

225 so I guess only 240 then.....BORING! I have already done 240, was hoping for more this time....

It will be charged where possible but often not but that's OK.

[Mike T]

5 hours ago, Goce said:

Nice ride for a long journey, if you're coming or passing thru macedonia, contact me. I'll be honor to meet you in person, also we can compare the new 508sw to my "409"sw

Thank you, we will be heading to northern France, then Alsace, then Munich, then Spain right down to Gibraltar (and Morocco sans véhicule) and then back to France. Maybe some other time.

[Mike T]

At Peugeot TT, CDG Airport

Gare du Nord waiting to pick up our daughter and her husband

 

Galeries Lafayette Paris

 Louvre

Louvre

Autobahn A96 Munich-Lindau Oct 22. Traffic was heavy but there was a very short ~ 2km chance to boot it a little and I landed about 9 km/h short of the limiter. Would easily had pegged 240 if I'd not had to slow early for traffic crawling at 160. Note the "balls out" symbol on the dash in place of the speed limit.

  

[Mike T]

Managed to plug it in twice so far in 3400 km, using the 220V standard outlet: once at the IBIS hotel in Munich and also in the Parador in Mojacar Spain where we are staying for three days. The car will go about 55-60 km in full EV mode. Even when the plug in battery is depleted, the hybrid drive is still working, recovering energy and adding to the fuel efficiency. Mind you, all of this stuff weighs about 300 kg.

No complaints about the car overall: the consumption over the time from 2 km to date is in the high 6.x L/100 km range and this will only improve with time.

Here's the car tonight, plugged in at the Parador de Mojacar (hotel) as my dear wife Sandy looks on.

[Mike T]

We were spotted on the Autoroute du Soleil near Narbonne yesterday by a trucker who is in a FB group I belong to - Peugeot of North America.

[Mike T]

With the ability to slow charge the 508 at the Parador, we managed to get 115 km done (on two charges) on battery alone (0.0 L/100 km). This photo was taken today. Tomorrow we head to Granada and so may not be able to charge the car for a while.

[Mike T]

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[Goce]

What a trip, i really like that silver color, looks good in any light and shows the body curves very well.

[Mike T]

GPS sent us on a strange route through the old Arab quarter which the car clearly could not fit down. Mildly scuffed a wheel attempting to get out of this jam.

This is a very interesting city.

[Mike T]

Incidentally, the GPS directed us to this 2 metre wide road after we missed a turn. The tourists coming down it were shaking their heads, NO WAY! Scuff is nearly gone after a minor bit of polish with toothpaste. TT cars are not assessed like rental cars upon return anyway....no charge.

Tomorrow we leave for Gibraltar and then Morocco for a couple of days, without the car, which will be parked in Tarifa.

Photo from Sierra Nevada, about 2 km above Granada.

[Mike T]

The car at the southernmost point of Britain - Europa Point Gibraltar - today.

Off to Morocco tomorrow via Tarifa.

[Mike T]

Comments copied from my FB post:

Shift paddles - fixed to column and not wheel, not worth using IMO although helpful if engine braking is required and the recharge recovery is maxxed out or overwhelmed as happened on our 1900 m descent of Sierra Nevada.

Seats look good, have electric cushion tilt and lumbar adjustments and manual fore-aft and backrest angle. Still not as comfortable as they should be. Maybe this is some sort of optional sport seat.

Interior finish is very good, light years ahead of the last cars sold in North America.

 

Limited rear legroom so the car barely passes the "me behind me" test...still, not bad. Luggage capacity is good but not 404/504/505 good.

 

Power tilt/slide sunroof and power sunshade for it too. Auto dimming mirror. Sunvisors swivel but do not slide/extend back so of limited use for tall drivers. 

[Mike T]

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[Mike T]

Our Parador in Mérida also has a 220V plug for EVs so the 508 gets a battery refill - the first since Mojacar (also a Parador). Off to see the Roman monuments today.....

[Mike T]

Made it to Chinchón. And - bonus - I got a charge point in their underground garage!

Plaza Mayor: Stunning. We ate dinner on one of the galleries in summer 1988. 35 years later, we're back!

[Mike T]

Lifetime FE earlier today: 6.3 L/100 km according to the OBC. It's likely to be more like 6.5 L/100 km when the car is returned at 7000 km tomorrow.

[Mike T]

Seems as though I'll be a tad short of 6900 km when it goes back on Tuesday morning.

Was rear ended today in Le Mans by a guy in a Fiat 500 - minor scuff on bumper - I let it go.

[Mike T]

Car returned and I'm no longer the owner. Back in Canada after 6 weeks of hotel living - relaxing, believe it or not!

I'll write up a detailed review of the 508 SW soon and post it here.

[Mike T]

2024 Peugeot 508 SW Hybrid 225 review - Mike Tippett

Peugeot has a long history of making very good and high-capacity station wagons, especially in the post-WWII period: the 203, 403, 404, 504, and 505. They also made smaller ones that were not really first and foremost designed as heavy load carriers and among those I’d note the 204, 304, 305, and the 405.

Before seeing the 508 station wagon in person, one could have the expectation that it’s more like the load carriers of old rather than the “lifestyle wagons” typified by the 405 if only because it’s about as long as a 504 station wagon; but that would be wrong. The 508 SW is not particularly capacious and its road manners are more like those of a sports sedan than a utility vehicle:

•    it’s rather low to the ground
•    rear legroom is OK but not especially generous
•    there would never be room for a third row of seats
•    the height of the load area is not all that great
•    the suspension is quite firm, and although it’s not uncomfortable on the road, it’s no 504

In my case, the 308 SW Hybrid that was reserved from EuropAuto.ca (upgraded at no charge by Peugeot to the 508 SW Hybrid) was chosen as the vehicle we would use in Europe to take 4 people and their luggage on a 2000 km trip through France, Belgium and Germany, and thereafter to take my wife and I on a further 5000 km journey through the entire Iberian Peninsula. You would imagine that a 308 SW or 508 SW would have no trouble swallowing 4 large suitcases and some smaller bags. I can’t speak to the 308 SW but I expect that it’d have been tighter than the 508; to get the luggage into the 508, the load area was packed to the ceiling – I do mean tight to the ceiling, to the point that the headliner was heavily compressed – and on the rear seat were two bags as well, with passengers on either side of them – blocking the rear seat area air conditioning vents. A 504 station wagon would have had no problem with this amount of luggage. OK… it’s not an old school capacious Peugeot load carrier….

The 508 Hybrid has a 180 HP 1600 cc turbocharged engine – the ex-BMW-Peugeot joint effort that started with a terrible reputation but seems to be better sorted now, with a total powertrain output of 225 HP counting the electric motor’s contribution to the effort. The power units are connected to an eight speed Aisin automatic gearbox. The electric motor has two sources of power: a regular hybrid buffer battery that can recapture kinetic energy and also the plug-in battery, that enables the car to operate as a full EV for a limited distance. More on this later. This technology is heavy; the car weighs in at about 1750 kg with the electric glass sunroof, and if you can’t plug the car in, part of that mass is dead weight. According to the French government certification sheet that came with the car, the top speed is rated as 250 km/h, but most other sources suggest 240 km/h is the limit. Either way, it’s reasonably fast. Acceleration is good at 0-100 km/h in under 8 seconds.

We took delivery of GR-417-KF at the TT delivery centre at CDG Airport on October 15, 2023. It had 2 km on the odometer and the 43 L fuel tank was full. The car is light grey metallic with 17-inch wheels with W rated (270 km/h) tires, while most of the rest of the car matched GT specification – heated leather seats, lane keeping assist, electric sunroof and more, in Britain the “small” wheels would supposedly make it the base “Allure” model. Could British and French wheel specifications be different? The car has a 2.3 kW domestic power plug charger and cable that fits into the e-plug on the left rear fender. During the 23 days and nearly 6900 km with the car, we only managed to use this charger at 4 hotels, for a total of 7 days, or around 30% of the time.

The first impression is that this is a low car, and the pronounced bolsters in the cushions of the front seats made ingress and egress more difficult than it should be. The seats had two electric adjustments: lumbar support and cushion angle; the other adjustments were manual. Both front seats were heated. Peugeot’s thermocouples in their cars’ seats seem to be very sensitive, as the seats never seem to get particularly warm, except on the first bit of a drive. The windshield also seems to be shallow in the vein of a 1960s car, and the low roofline limited headroom in the rear especially, though likely not as much as in the fastback – sedan – model.

Peugeots have always had excellent steering and despite the electric assistance, the 508 is no exception. Straight line stability is exemplary and the weighting is perfect. I engaged the lane keeping assist during our time with the car and I think it is overly sensitive and frankly easily confused at motorway exits and where lanes merge. Perhaps its main benefit is detecting and correcting tired drivers. The car would occasionally remind us that we had been driving for two hours and it was time to stop.

The 8 speed automatic transmission was very good and despite having paddle shifters fixed to the steering column, I very rarely used them – mainly when descending really steep hills and not using regenerative braking.

The integration of the hybrid drive with the gasoline 1598 cc unit was OK but occasionally there were clunks and lumpiness as the mode changed from full electric to hybrid.

Very usefully, the cruise control would maintain the set speed even on steep downhill sections by using kinetic energy recovery for recharging the batteries.

Even if the car could not be plugged in, there was always hybrid function available so long as the regenerative – as opposed to plug-in – battery had any power from braking and other sources. A good example of this is the day that we drove from Mojácar to Granada – a 200 km run. We left with a full plug-in battery, showing a potential range of 68 km due to some local EV driving the day before. Getting onto the Autovia about 10 km after leaving the seafront Parador, the electric range was still showing around 46 km but once on the highway, at the 120 km/h speed limit, the electric drive diminished rapidly, lasting only about 38 km in total from the start. At that point the gasoline engine lit up and the regular hybrid system was active. When we got to Granada, I decided to drive up Sierra Nevada, a climb of about 1900 metres from Granada’s 700. The plug-in battery had been a 0% for most of the day and of course climbing the mountain was not going to improve that. But the descent, done using cruise control for the reason mentioned above, managed to recharge the plug-in battery to 47%. At one point near the bottom of the mountain, the kinetic recovery system was unable to maintain energy capture and I had to use the service brakes… presumably the circuitry was overheating and a pause in recharging was required. Otherwise, the battery could have made over 50% of a charge during this descent, which took maybe 20 to 25 minutes instead of the 3 hours it would take with the 220V charger. After about ten minutes, the kinetic recovery resumed normal operation. The same effect could be achieved using the brake pedal which also activates the kinetic recovery system, but I wanted to use cruise control so the service brakes were not used at all. An interesting experiment. Sierra Nevada is stunning by the way.

Acceleration even with a full load of 4 people and too much luggage always seemed strong and torquey and there was never a sense that the car was in any way underpowered. It’s no drag racer but it’s very brisk.

It was interesting watching the car’s on-board computer to see what the readout said when driving, particularly when the plug-in battery had charge. We once saw 68 km travelled with a fuel consumption of 0.0 L/100 km. On the drive to Granada, the consumption was 0.0 up to about 38 km and thereafter it climbed to just under 7 L/100 km at the summit of Sierra Nevada and then went back down to 6.4 when we arrived at our hotel in the Moorish Albaicin district, thanks to the 47% charge, which permitted 100% electric urban driving.

We drove from Strasbourg to Munich but the Autobahn A5 is more or less a parking lot these days, with traffic having occasional bursts up to 160 km/h but lots of slow going. The A8 from Karlsruhe to Munich is not a lot better, with a massive rebuilding project that covered about 20 km. Once past Stuttgart, it opened up a little and my son-in-law was able to get up to 193 when a short window opened up in traffic. After the couple of days in Munich, Sandy and I were alone in the car heading to deepest Spain and the Autobahn 96 to Lindau was more lightly travelled and I was able to get above 230 km/h for a few seconds, but had to back off immediately due to the high closing speed on traffic up ahead, moving at a glacial 150 km/h or so. There is no doubt that the car will achieve its 240 km/h top speed rather easily, and so the 508 must be quite aerodynamic.

The 508 rides well on the highway, reasonably firm and well damped. There was the odd occasion when it seemed as though more suspension travel would have been useful, though it never bottomed out on its bump stops. In town, the ride was a bit jiggly but larger bumps were handled well.

The proximity sensors built into the bumpers were overly sensitive, beeping like crazy and showing red on the screen when there was still a fair bit of space. Which leads me to the GPS – it’s a TomTom system, and compared to the Google system in Volvo’s XC90, it was not very good. The main problem is that in cities with super narrow streets, it will direct you down ones that clearly are far too narrow. This happened to us in Granada, when we were headed to our hotel. I missed a turn and it recalculated, sending us down a series of roads that eventually got as narrow as the space between the car’s side mirrors. When I realized that we could not go any further, after a brief moment of panic (!) I managed to do a 100 point turn to get it pointing the wrong way down the one way street and to get out. This should not be a problem. Another thing that the Google nav does better is tell you where there is road construction, traffic congestion (and suggesting alternate routes). The 508’s system was good enough in normal circumstances but not in all.

The 508 has interesting slimline LED headlights with multiple reflectors and a driver-selectable Auto function that operates the high/main beam in phases, depending upon what light sources are ahead of us. As a driver I appreciate its ability to illuminate parts of the road ahead while ostensibly not blinding oncoming drivers. Couple of comments though, as a potential long-term owner:

• I wonder what a component failure (e.g. light source) will cost to replace. My guess is the units are sold integrally at many hundreds of Euros.
• on the Autoroutes we were on with 4 up and luggage, the lights would not react to oncoming trucks in the other carriageway in time for the drivers, who often winked their roof lights and main beams at us. This could be down to the high driving position on those units along with median barrier blocking the truck headlights from the 508’s sensors.
• The headlights were also too sensitive to other light sources such as streetlights, where it’d still have been nice to have a bit more light. Of course, manual high beam is just a flick of the wrist away.

Overall, I liked these lights very much.

During the 6883 km that we drove this car, the average fuel consumption calculated by actual fills was 6.68 L/100 km. This compares to the 8.37 L/100 km that we managed in the Volvo XC90 B5 mild hybrid in the UK and Ireland over 4100 km, which was driven at 70 MPH on the motorways, a bit slower than the 508. It was a 7 seater, a behemoth of a vehicle, and yet reasonably economical. It makes me wonder what a plug-in hybrid XC90 might have done.

We didn’t pay for any of the electric “fills” which were all done in hotel and Spanish Parador parking garages, which is just as well, because one place – an Autobahn rest area – where we saw a suitable commercial charger for the 508, it cost 68 Euro cents for 1 kWh. The battery holds 17.8 kWh and so a fill would cost 12 EUR. That fill would likely last 45 km in average driving conditions. On gasoline and normal hybrid alone, assuming ~7 L/100 km, that same 45 km would be about 3.5 L of fuel, which would cost half what the electricity did. Not a compelling case for EVs as touring cars.

The 508 was returned to Peugeot at the CDG TT site on Tuesday November 7th and as is normal for this program, the car’s condition was not important and it ceased to be my property at 11:30 AM on that day. As it turns out, we had been rear-ended by a Fiat 500 in Le Mans the day before, but the damage was nearly imperceptible: a small scuff on the paint near the towing hook hole area, and a small chip in the car’s black diffuser. I told the Fiat driver to not worry about it and no exchange of information or constat amiable was filled out, which probably made his day.

The question after all of this is whether the 508 SW Hybrid is a car I’d like to own. Maybe, is the most generous answer I can give. My wife did not like the seats and I too found them uncomfortable. We both enjoyed the Volvo XC90 – a vehicle type I generally don’t like at all – much more, with respect to comfort.
 

[SRDT]

The current 508 SW is no 504 but if you want more room and cargo space Peugeot will gladly sell you a 5008.

The 508 SW is using the 5 door fastback wheelbase and not the longer ones from the chinese 508L, DS9 or 5008. Peugeot probably want to sell wagons to those that like the small and sporty 508 but don't want the low roofline from the fastback.

[Mike T]

The new 3008/5008 is hideous and I'd never want one!

[SRDT]

I feel the same, not that I had plans to buy that kind of car anyway.