Mike T

Here is a fabulous shot of Serial number 4303462 in the 2009 Repco Trials Rerun : Thanks to the owner!

Very good idea here and I agree with the concept of minimising the barriers to having random owners add their own cars (this is what I am doing with the 404 + 404 C Registry). The more the merrier! The ratings thing is going to be more complex, especially if it is self-administered. The condition ratings system I use (FWIW) on the 404 Registry is the German 1-5 rating where 1 is top show quality, and 5 is very poor condition, broken down over mechanical systems, bodywork, interior and (for Cabriolets) soft tops. It is self-administered by owners submitting their cars on the website, and I try to do it myself based on photos for the other cars.

Another survivor has been found! 4595061, a Cabriolet Injection first registered on 18 December 1964, Green with black leather, this car is for sale at Leboncoin December 2011 for 20K Euros (!), post-1966 grille with the driving lights too far forward (??), location: RICHELIEU FRANCE Total: 1588 !

Mauritslaan 14, Schaesberg (now part of Landgraaf), to be exact. My Dad's ex-404 KF2 sedan was sold there in 1972 but it was getting rusty already at age 6..... He also had a 1972 US model 504 for 8 months while still there until August 1972, the plate was AFC 87512 (I still have that plate) and this was the Peugeot he imported to Canada in 1972 when we moved back home. It has been fun collecting the 404 C VINs for the Registry, so please remember to have a peek under the hood if you see one at a car show and let me know the number There are only three of these cars within 90 km of me (or probably 1900 km) and I already have their numbers!

Thanks to Yoann Nikodem and Peter Teuffel for adding the following two cars: 6801832, a Cabriolet Injection, first registered 23 November 1967, Bleu Mendoza 1134, same owner since 1987, location: ARTANNES SUR THOUET FRANCE 6802637, a Coupé Injection, first registered 29 June 1968, light grey and blue (two tone paint!), converted to carburator, for sale at 5500 Euros at "Der Schraubervitrine" in Germany, ex-Lons-le-Saulnier France, location: D-52159 ROETGEN GERMANY Total: 1587 !

Fantastic collection! I used to live not too far south from Eindhoven, a LONG time ago. My Dad had a 404 KF2 sedan, AFCENT plates AFC 84288. Getting a 404 C is a good idea! There are a couple hundred of them there!

Here is another new one: 4497066, Carrosserie No. 3136, Coupé Carburator, 24 October 1963, Blanc Saratoga 1031, blue cloth interior, the car was parked in a barn for 28 years and now will be restored, location: CREPY EN VALOIS FRANCE Total: 1585! There were 3 more before it but I guess I can't show them all!

Brilliant photos, thanks fo sharing, and if you ever see a 404 C at one of those shows, please get the VIN and owner contact info. for me!

Peter T in Germany has sent me the following information : 4670089, a Coupé with Carburator engine, 14 July 1967, Noir 1000 with brown vinyl, originally from Belgium, location: CALLANTSOOG THE NETHERLANDS Total: 1581!

4495899, a Cabriolet w/Carburator engine, 1963, Rouge Capanelle 1033 with Beige leather (seats with headrests), location: MURCIA SPAIN Total: 1580!

Got a few more from Sweden, the total is now 1579!

1967 and 1968 models had them from the factory. The grille was enlarged to accommodate them and the bumper was raised, plus a new panel below the bumper was installed. The lights are driving lights by Cibié, which were additional to the regular 7 inch high beams. These light units are identical to the high beam units of the 1969-1974 504 C models.

Here are a couple more, with photos this time: 4497419, a Cabriolet with Carbuator engine, non-original red, location: STUTTGART GERMANY 4599606, a Cabriolet Injection 1967, Bleu Mendoza 1134 and Leather "Tabac", location: RANCAGUA CHILE Total: 1560!

Very good car, it is HUGE inside. More room than an E-Class. The new generation W246 car that the US will get is smaller inside (the trunk mainly) but should have more economical engines. Mine has a lifetime average (70,000 miles) of about 33 US MPG. The 405 handles better though. I miss that.

Looks good, the passenger side of the front bumper skin is hanging low though.

A lot of the numbers are submitted anonymously so I can't. In other cases I certainly do. It's a mixed bag. As of earlier this week, our online registry upload allows users to also load a photo of their car. I am working towards getting a photo of every car in the Registry.

I have got 24 more in the past week. The US total is up to 39 cars now, but I think there may be around 80 in the country.

The total is now 1533, I got 7 more from Italy alone! This is fun, really!

It's set up to dump loaded information into a static form, which is then reviewed by me. Once you start posting links around the WWW for the Registry, you will get spambots throwing crap at it, so it's important to manage the new inputs manually, otherwise your database will fill up with crap. Fortunately the new (legitimate) entries are relatively infrequent so it's not a big deal, really.

André, the interior of my 404 C is dark blue velours. Well it was dark in 1966. It too needs to be totally redone. You SHOULD do a 505 database! On the technical thing, I simply set up an Excel spreadsheet where each row represents an individual vehicle, each column is a piece of data about the car. My column structure is: Serial No. Carrosserie Number Type (body style) Engine Type In-service date Purchase date Body Colour Interior Colour Photo (put a flag in the cell if there is a photo of the car - I use the serial number as the photo name) Mechanical condition 1-5 (1=show, 5 = practically a wreck) - assessed from photos or the owner's reckoning Body condition 1-5 Interior condition 1-5 Notes (long free form field for entering extra information on options, previous owners, special equipment...) Owner Name Postal Code City/State/Province Country Previous Owner 1, Date Postal Code 1 City/State/Province 1 The previous owner fields are added to as needed, for the 404 Registry I have up to four known previous owners of some cars! They're easy to add as they're at the end of the table structure. At the bottom of the spreadsheet I have a number of formulas to mine/summarize the data. For example, there is a count of cars by country, by colour, by body type, by engine, and I also mine the "Notes" field for certain key things like sunroof, Nardi floor shifter etc. For the 505 you could decide what you want to have summarized there. I sort the 404 records by the 7 digit serial numbers. For the 505s with the long VINs, you could do that too, but they were in production for a long time so if the format changed over the years you might want to sort by model year (using the "MID" function in Excel), it's easy enough and if you need help, let me know. You might want to have a separate field for State/Province, because I imagine most of the cars would be in North America, but you probably should consider adding European models too (though their VIN format is probably different). My list started off with about 6 cars on it years ago and it's turned into a monster, but it's great to have all these data on the cars. I would note that the late Jim Bell of California started a US-based 404 C Registry in the eighties too and his data are now incorporated into mine. Le Club 404 had by far the most data to add: 1195 cars were in their database when I first got it. Now I am doing the Registry for them. 327 have been added since I got that! I think you should get going on this and let me know if I can help somehow.

The total for Coupés and Cabriolets is now 1522 cars. For the other 404s it's 1146. I am working on the Club in Italy, which offers the promise of another 9 404 Cs and 29 other 404s. Here is where the 1522 404 C cars are located: 1124 France 101 Netherlands 97 Germany 34 USA 30 Belgium 20 Switzerland 10 Spain 10 South Africa 9 Canada 9 Austria 8 Great Britain 7 Greece 7 New Zealand 7 Finland 6 Australia 5 Sweden 5 Norway 5 Italy 4 Portugal 3 Luxembourg 2 Morocco 2 New Caledonia 2 Serbia 2 Denmark 2 Tunisia 1 Ireland 1 Madagascar 1 Turks and Caicos 1 Costa Rica 1 Colombia 1 Paraguay 1 Venezuela 1 Slovenia 1 Hungary 1 Poland 1 Nicaragua 1522 TOTAL

"Bolex Tires" Made in China?!? I would recommend any well known western brand, Michelin, Goodyear etc. That Chinese tire probably was the reason for the blowout. However, I am glad that you are still OK after this.

I think all you will get is the standard "attestation" which is fine. I believe that for all research into the various transmission options, colours etc generally you would have to go to Sochaux yourself and consult the archives It is possible, you just need to reserve in advance. It might take several days to sort through their records to capture info on all the 505 Turbos for the USA and Canada! I suspect they're mostly on paper. I would like to do this one day for the 404 C research. By the way, the 404 C VIN registry is at 1520 cars now, close to 9% of those made.

Very cool, I loved my 405 DL.

I finally surpassed the 1500 figure for 404 Coupés and Cabriolets - the total now sits at 1501! The registry for other 404s is doing well too: 1099 cars! 51 of these are in the USA..... For the full statistics, check out this page: Registry Stats The country names are in French.....Pays Bas is the Netherlands and Allemagne is Germany, for those who don't know. "CC" under car type means it is a 404 C but we're not sure if it's a Cabriolet or Coupé.