Guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 The 505 Turbo is 1989 model with ABS and its time for quarter-mile drag is 16,5 seconds. I need 15 seconds and I want to run it on LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas) because of its high oktane count. I have started the project but I would like to see your suggestions and ideas of getting the needed result. What has been done so far....My Webpage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N9TE Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Hey, great work on the car! Isn't it cool to have arcane knowledge of cars and get them for a song because everybody else is afraid of them. Looks like you've done well. So what are the current and planned engine specs? Is an XN6 with a turbo and LPG setup? Or is a N9T engine? A few people in the US have gone LPG, but it's mostly camper/truck rigs - and this was before the gas crunch. Now everybody is trying to go diesel (especially bio/veggie) at least until cleaner diesels arive and we can get some of the good stuff Europe has had for over a decade. A few government speciality cars also run LPG. Would be curious as to any links on modern LPG technology. My favorite math teacher was from Yugloslavia. Keep the info comng! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Welcome to the forum Djuka! It looks like a very interesting project you have there. What compressor have you changed to? I've read that the stock turbo is capable of deliviring enough air for about 250hp, so if that's true I don't think that you will have problems getting down to 15's. Have you competed yourself and got that time of 16.5s or is it a factory statement? Check out the "Grey Beast" on this site: Grey Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 So what are the current and planned engine specs? Is an XN6 with a turbo and LPG setup? Or is a N9T engine? Would be curious as to any links on modern LPG technology. Its a N9T. LPG kit will be installed sometime during the next two weeks because we have been offered a new type by the Tomasetto Company (Italian). In Belgrade which has nearly 2 mil population and around 400,000 registered vehicles, only 20% run on gasoline, the rest are 30% diesel and 50% LPG and those still running on gasoline are switching to LPG. Main reason is half the price of gasoline and there are LPG pumps on every gas station and some even standalone LPG stations. Links to the LPG technology: http://www.lovatogas.com/ http://www.landi-gas.it/eng/landi.html http://www.tomasetto.com/a_ENG_7_1.html (we will use the MULTIVALVES AT02 EXTRA from this company) What compressor have you changed to? I've read that the stock turbo is capable of deliviring enough air for about 250hp, so if that's true I don't think that you will have problems getting down to 15's. Have you competed yourself and got that time of 16.5s or is it a factory statement? Check out the "Grey Beast" on this site: Grey Beast I'm not sure which compressor we switched to but as I remember he told me it was a hybrid with an intercooler from a Ford Escort Cosworth. We managed to place the intercooler inside the front grill between the headlights. Intake pipes were taking a lot of space on the right side of the engine space so no space was left for original battery, and the main reason why it went to the trunk (now a hefty 66Ah battery). I haven't competed yet, since I am a journalist and a videographer, but the streetrace competition has gone under my skin and I'm hooked. I will drive it in the local competiton while a lady driver will drive the 505 in the quartermile streetrace competiton in the class 15. The 16.5 seconds is the factory statement. Let me explain how this new type of drag racing works and maybe you can all start something in your countries. The idea is simple: two vehicles meet at the start point and race. The winner is the one who properly starts his car and is first one to cross the finish line.All adult drivers and owners of a drivers licences with nothing but adrenaline running in their veins can enter this octane-full competition. Almost everything is allowed and there is hardly any forbidden car parts or tunings or limitations. Electronic equipment with precise photo lenses, at the start and finish line, makes sure that the time needed for crossing quarter of a mile is correctly measured. A Street Race competitor is expected to timely register its vehicle, and awaits to be sorted into one of the competing categories after the qualification race. There are 7 classes, starting with class 16 seconds, from 16,000 - 16,999, this is the slowest. Then it goes down 15, 14, 13, 12, 11 and 10. Last year an Audi RS4 quattro from Slovenia has managed 10,593 for the quartermile run and was the only car in that Class 10. Class 16 and 15 had more than 60 cars in their classes. The greatness of this competition is that you don't have to worry who has the bigger buck since those with the bucks will be in the faster classes while you still have a chance of winning in the slower classes, and there is prize money to be won also. All who compete, pay an entry fee. Usually there are between 160-240 competitors per event and they pay an entry fee of 30 euros (approximately $45). For discussion purposes lets say there are 200 which then comes to $9000. This sum is then divided by 7 classes and the winner of each class gets $1285 as prize money. If you are the only one in the class 10 you get 1285 but you have to confirm your class by driving at least 10,999 sec on the quarter mile run. Here are videos I made during 2006 and 2007 at the streetrace championships and should give you an idea what it can be like: http://videos.streetfire.net/uploaded/Chatmaster.htm Enjoy! This year there will be a local streetrace competiton but 1/8 of a mile (201 meters). I have seen a lot of winning cars pass the competitors in the last 50 yards on the quartermile track events. Here all cars that have excess power will be worth nothing since if you spin the wheels on start you will loose, since you don't have enough time to catch the competitor as on a quarter mile track. There will be around 12 events during the summer months and this is where I mainly intend to compete since 505 has backdrive which is the key to success. Here you can see the times cars do on a 1/8 mile track (201 meters) and the time we made with our 505 (Peugeot 505 Ana) on the test run a couple of days ago. KS stands for HorsePower while the last column is seconds. http://www.201streetrace.com/novosti/ubrzanja.htm As for the grey beast, we used some of his ideas and ideas from an another build but which is not available any more on the net so I can't give the link for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Also I forgot to mention, at the same tuner there is an ongoing project of a 505 V6 which will have a twin turbo on an engine from a Peugeot 605 V6 with 24 valves. They have just started the build. The tuner (my friend the mechanic and a professional rally driver, http://www.1-na-1.com/1na1racing/2008/racingboban.html) is also assembling his car (Lancia Delta Integrale for the streetrace competition, can be seen in my picture on the right without headlights), so there will be a lot of info coming along and I hope we will exchange ideas, knowledge and experience. After I finalize the 505 Turbo, I will replace the engine in my current 505SR (XN1A) for the one from a 505GTI (ZDJL) since I blew a gasket last summer and the current head is not going to last long. There are a lot of ZDJL engines around with 50-90,000km which have been discarded by people who installed diesel in there cars. Also I hope we can organize a "get-together 505 event" in Europe in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Welcome indeed Jjuka! I'm going to be following your build and your stories with interest! It's great to see such enthusiasm for a car over 20 years old, halfway around the world from me, that's being prepared for drag racing. I'm in the intial stages of installing a speed density ECU from another car on my 505 Turbo (I'm doing up a blog like August has) and I'm having some really good results so far with getting it fitted. So hopefully I'll have my car to add to the list of modded 505's later this summer! Rabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norcal505 Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 great job on the car! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2008 Report Share Posted April 19, 2008 Some more pictures from the build. Pics Problems with the fuel injection have returned and we have been banging our heads for the past 5 days. Later during this day, after our final step in trying to get it right I will post exactly what we did until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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