Peugeottogo Posted September 14, 2006 Report Share Posted September 14, 2006 Alright, Who's going to rescue this? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/peugeot-505...033103302QQrdZ1 Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 My wife is so going to kill me... But I'll have to throw a bid in for sure if it stays cheap. It's got everything I wanted for my car without the work. I'm guessing it goes dirt cheap too. Now to figure how far away it is.. Thanks for the link! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean Posted September 15, 2006 Report Share Posted September 15, 2006 Damn - did a mapquest and the car is about 36 hrs away round trip... Factor in trailering costs and I think this is out of any ecoomical range if the car had to be trailered back. (Cost to get the car here VS investing that money into my 505 GL Turbo - basically the same car!) Ideally if any Peugeot guys were in the area that would be willing to share the cost to part it out of the good bits, or if there was someone who get get it road worthy - it would be feasible to fly down and drive it back. (Just needs to have lights so as to not get pulled over - doesn't need to be plateable.) So - anyone in that area of the US interested in working something out? Rabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 i really hope the new owner posts some details, or more pictures on peugeot-l, or this site. i'd love to hear more about whats 'under the hood' on that thing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august Posted September 18, 2006 Report Share Posted September 18, 2006 i've got to post some pictures of this thing for anyone interested in the future who can't see the eBay auction: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
505T Posted September 20, 2006 Report Share Posted September 20, 2006 Those wheels!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boostin'euro89 Posted September 21, 2006 Report Share Posted September 21, 2006 so who ended up buying the car ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 The car is coming to North Carolina, to become a part-time track car, and join a small collection of racing cars and motorcycles. My first Peugeot, but I couldn't resist, with the history. The car was originally built with PMA money, by Peter Farrell. I'm unsure which car this is, but either way it was raced in Escort Endurance, and Firehawk racing, by Farrell, Jon Woodner, and maybe Janet Guthrie. I've had a couple of inquiries about the wheels- must be special? I'm sure I'll be looking for spares soon. I'd also be interested in any photos/documentation that may be available pertaining to this car. Ed Tilley [email protected] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni Lindroos Posted September 23, 2006 Report Share Posted September 23, 2006 Congratulations! :-) I'm sure everyone here is interested in knowing more about this car because they are really rare. If any documentation exists, it's propably next to impossible to find... You could try to ask from Peugeot or the builder if they have any information left? Spare parts should be quite easy to find if the car doesn't use many non-stock parts? It would be nice if you could post some high resolution pictures of the car when you get it. I just hate those small low resolution pictures that are common in eBay ads. :-( Here's some information I found with Google http://www.vectorbd.com/peugeot/archive/98_9/0230.html http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/track/4889/peugeot.htm http://www.pfsupercars.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 woohoo, we have contact with the new owner! welcome to the forum Ed, and congrats! I talked to Peter Ferrell a few years ago and he's of course moved on to other things, but his former team mate Arlo is still racing 505's (in basically stock trim, damn). as Toni said, if it would at all be possible to post some more in detailed pictures of suspension components, brakes, etc etc on this forum it would be great. if you need any help at all feel free to PM me, or post here. the rims are a big question because we dont really have any bolt on source for aftermarket rims. there are some available from Politecnic in france, but are hard to come by, pricy, and ugly. I'm really curious to see what you find in the engine bay. it looks mostly stock from the pictures I saw, but I'm curious how much is changed under the surface. injectors, FPR, cylinder head / cam, turbo, AFM, airbox, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
505T Posted September 24, 2006 Report Share Posted September 24, 2006 You, sir, are very fortunate to have that car. All the best in ownership and enjoy in good health! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean Posted September 25, 2006 Report Share Posted September 25, 2006 Welcome to the group Ed - and thank you for saving that car! It was pretty hard getting any relevent info from the seller of the car, so I wasn't able to determine if it was authentic or not. The wheels were what swayed me, but the rest of the car from the pictures alone had me question if it was the real deal. (Big one being the factory sunroof - SCCA cars were to my knowledge the GL-turbo's with no sunroof or power windows) Glad you were able to find out and get it purchased! I have an 86 505 GL-Turbo that I've been making plans for, so seeing a car that was already caged was very tempting, but the distance just wasn't going to make it feasible. Like everyone else here - more detailed pictures would be most appreciated! Since I'd like to compete with mine at a higher level it'd be nice to see what they did with them back in the day. (IE cage design, suspension, brakes, etc etc.) Thanks again! Rabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 Hello, The shipper is supposed to be picking the car up today, and it is scheduled to be here in NC by next Tuesday! I was lucky to find a shipper that had a pick up scheduled in my area, and wanted a "filler" car to bring this way. I paid for the economy plan, but ended up getting enclosed, single car service! I can hardly wait to get the car here. I, too, had a bit of trouble getting much info about it from the previous owner, but she did have some key info and names. It is possible that the original log book may be available, but I'm not sure, yet. I look forward to seeing what kind of mods have been done to the car- I will ask here for help once I get part numbers from the ECU, etc. This car was raced in "Showroom Stock" classes, which was another way of saying "do what you can get away with" back in those days. Being Turbocharged, the car is not eligible for Improved Touring, nor am I up to that these days, but I do plan to run the car at some track days, and maybe some ECTA events here in NC next year. It will be freshened up, and if I can find a set of those cool Peugeot Sport decals, I plan to put it back cosmetically like it was in its glory days! I'll post some photos next week, upon arrival. Thanks for the encouragement, and I look forward to a new challenge this Winter. Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 thanks for the udpate Ed, I look forward to checking out the pictures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 Hello, Got the car today- drove it the last mile home from the transporter! I'll post some links to pictures later this evening. I'm still trying to get the LogBook, but in the interim, I am trying to research the full history of the car. I did a Carfax and found that the car was registered officially to Peugeot Motors of America in Lyndhurst, NJ, from new in 1987, until 1993. It was transferred to Vermont then, but I can't find out to whom (yet). Then, in 1998, to Illinois. Tech stickers show that it was being VINTAGE RACED at Elkhart Lake in the period 1991-1998, last raced in the VSCDA Merrill Lynch/Brian Redman Invitational in 1998. One last thing- the VIN doesnt match up with the chart that I have. The eighth digit is a "Z" (definately not a 2). Wonder what this matches up to? Thanks, Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august Posted October 2, 2006 Report Share Posted October 2, 2006 hmmm, i'm not sure about the "Z". that doesn't even look like an option. check out this link below for a VIN chart: 1983-1991 505 VIN identification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 I promised a few pictures... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august Posted October 3, 2006 Report Share Posted October 3, 2006 looks like a really fun project Ed. What are you planning on doing to it before taking it to the track? If you wouldn't mind, when you go for further inspection, and have the wheels off, could you take some pictures of the wheels (and any markings on them), as well as the break setup and shocks + struts? Also, what are the numbers that are on the fuel injectors? should start with a '0 280 150 xxx'. How about the Bosch part number on the air flow meter (mounted to the bottom of the airbox). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 I'm almost positive that that car was the full load 505 Turbo with some pre 86 505 GL doors on it. From all the switches still in the dash, the sunroof, and the STI passenger seat - pretty sure that car wasn't built from the GL-Turbo production run - so I'm thinking that must have been one of the very first cars that Peugeot built for competition... Or maybe the factory cars used production cars first - then they came out with the GL-Turbo models to appeal to privateers... Only speculation of course - but it'll be cool once Ed finds out it's race history... Have to echo Augusts requests as well. It'll be interesting to find out how stock these cars really were, and if they only took a minimal amount of work to compete, then it will just endorse how bloddy capable these cars are right out of the box... Can't wait to get more details! Rabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peugeottogo Posted October 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 I'm almost positive that that car was the full load 505 Turbo with some pre 86 505 GL doors on it. From all the switches still in the dash, the sunroof, and the STI passenger seat - pretty sure that car wasn't built from the GL-Turbo production run - so I'm thinking that must have been one of the very first cars that Peugeot built for competition... Or maybe the factory cars used production cars first - then they came out with the GL-Turbo models to appeal to privateers... Only speculation of course - but it'll be cool once Ed finds out it's race history... Have to echo Augusts requests as well. It'll be interesting to find out how stock these cars really were, and if they only took a minimal amount of work to compete, then it will just endorse how bloddy capable these cars are right out of the box... Can't wait to get more details! Rabin Rabin, the doors appear to be GL versions for sure. Did you notice the side rearview mirrors, pre 86? More like 1984-85 doors. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
505T Posted October 4, 2006 Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 Rabin, the doors appear to be GL versions for sure. Did you notice the side rearview mirrors, pre 86? More like 1984-85 doors. Jeff I noted the same thing...but that seems to me to be the only thing thats pre 86....however I am not sure if power windows were optional in the turbos...? And the clock still works! Mine displayed all kinds of random stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peugeottogo Posted October 4, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2006 I noted the same thing...but that seems to me to be the only thing thats pre 86....however I am not sure if power windows were optional in the turbos...? And the clock still works! Mine displayed all kinds of random stuff. Even noticed the detail that the electric window switch locations are filled with the appropriate blanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 5, 2006 Report Share Posted October 5, 2006 Good evening, I had a great (30 minute) conversation with Arlo Cota yesterday. He has been involved with Peugeot cars for 35 years, and was at one time the largest Peugeot dealer in the US. He is VERY enthusiastic about Peugeot. He has moved on to Subaru as his primary race car, but still races his 505 (sister car to mine) in some hillclimbs. Regarding the sunfroof, and various body parts, he advised that the car was in a couple of accidents, that required body parts replacement. I think that this included a roof at one time. Also, the right front fender is silver under the white. I will get the requested info as I delve into the car, and take a few more pictures. The car has been resprayed once, and traces of some of the old decals are showing through. If I can get the Peugeot "teardrops" reproduced, I will probably respray the car, and install as many of the original decals that I can find. Here is what I know, so far. CONVERSATION WITH ARLO COTA, OCTOBER 2, 2006 This car is known to Arlo Cota as car number 53 (I found traces of this number remaining on the hood). It was originally registered, in 1987, to Peugeot Motors of America in Lyndhurst, NJ. Both race cars were built by Peter Farrell (still active as owner of Peter Farrell Supercars) for Jon Woodner, a professional road race and rally driver. Cars were purchased by Arlo Cota from Woodner Enterprises after the death (in a plane crash) of Jon Woodner, from his girlfriend. Two cars and a tractor-trailer load of parts for $10000. Woodner had financed his racing with the proceeds of the vending machines in the highrises owned by his father in Washington, DC. Cars ran with great success. There were only three factory Peugeot cars raced in IMSA Firehawk and SCCA Escort. One was a 1984 body car, whereabouts now unknown. There were two 1986 505 Turbos, one now owned by Cota, one is mine. Any '86 body car seen in Escort/Firehawk action during this time is one of these two cars, regardless of number. Car was raced by Cota as Number 53. This was the “second” or rental car. The Primary car, #45, was “very fast, but very brutal”. The #53 was “cleaner, smoother, easier to drive”, and was kept that way for the rental drivers. Cars “aged out” per the two-year rule, but were still competitive, so they were “re-serial numbered” several times to make them later years. This was done on the door plaque, now missing from my car. Overall, the cars were built within the rules, prepared for extreme handling instead of sheer horsepower. In the last couple of years (approx 88-89), they were losing their competitiveness, so IMSA (probably Dennis Shaw) was petitioned to allow higher boost, and race fuel. Then-current rules mandated Union 76 pump gas, IMSA turned a blind eye to the Peugeots, and they ran 16 lbs boost, on 106 high-lead fuel. Front suspension was re-engineered by lengthening control arms, for 3 ½ degrees of camber. Literally “thousands of hours” were originally spent preparing these cars for IMSA. Peugeot paid $3000 1st, 2500 2nd, $2000 3rd, at each race in Firehawk, and Escort. Prior to Cota ownership, cars were driven, interchangeably, by Jon Woodner, Peter Farrell, Janet Guthrie, and several others. Car 53 was sold to Ray Banicki, the Owner of MotoDelta in Chicago. Car was vintage raced in Chicago area with some success. Car was later sold to another owner who also raced it in the Chicago area. During the Chicago years, there was an engine failure. Engine was rebuilt, with some parts coming from Arlo Cota. Last racing owner passed away. Car sat unused for several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Fantastic work Ed! Really happy to see it going to someone that cherishes the history as much as we do! An I also have a feeling that old car is going to win you over once you get her back in shape! The explanation of the incidental body parts and such sounds right - which make for a nice race history for the car as a true race car. As for other comments - pre 86 means before 86, since those were the years that ran the door mounted mirrors. As for the "proper" blanking plates for window switches - my 86 GL-turbo doesn't even have holes for the power windows in the console, and the only switches up on the dash beside the ash tray are rear defog and the fog lights - no seat heater switches at all - just blanks... I have a feeling though that these cars were the inspiration for my car - so the came out with a stripper version of the turbo for privateers to get into. It may well be that the actual race cars were converted turbo's that had the full load and were then stripped down - and that's something I never would have considered - but it sounds like it from what Arlo conveyed to Ed... I just pulled my turbo out of storage to a friends house, and now I just have a few things to clear up project wise before I can bring it into the garage to start the restifications... Rabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august Posted October 6, 2006 Report Share Posted October 6, 2006 Nice research Ed! From the little I've talked to Arlo, i believe car 45 was the danielson car that had the KKK turbo, custom intake + exahust manifold, FMIC, etc etc. He said the turbo lag on that car was insanity, but it was fast as hell. In any case, I'm really happy you got the car, and you've found your way to this site to post all this info. I know there are a few people here who want to track their cars, so all your technical information is extremely useful. Thanks! interesting about the modified front arms for increased camber. I'm curious to see what those look like. Rabin: i'm thinking a coilover setup with 3.5deg camber dialed in would be pretty slick, but I imagine widening the front track was all part of the idea. hmmmmmm maybe we could modify the front subframe and extend the steering linkages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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