Obama or McCain?

[norcal505]

I have found it that Peugeot Drivers are generally liberal.

Now with this upcoming election, who will you root for?

I have Obama's back.

He promises change, and with this current Bush government, which seems like a joke, I think our country is indeed, in need of change.

I mean Bush isn't that bad of a guy. He'd make a great comedian! Seriously!

[Justice]

McCain for 4 years, so he can deal adequately with the world situation it is right now. I have the feeling Obama will make rash moves which will hurt us in the process. Obama will also go synonym with increased taxes. I agree the social security & health care needs to be fixed, but not in the coming 4 years. Let McCain fix our country and the world economy, and then let Obama reform it after the dust has settled. 4 Years should be enough to resolve this mess we are in.

Obama is a bit to green to deal with all the crap that is going on. We need someone with some old fashioned know how. And that is McCain.

But who am I kidding. I live in the USA, but I can't vote anyway until the next elections. So whatever happens, I am not to blame right?

[Pugsley]

I sure like Palin, that woman is no dummy.

[Kevin]

kucinich...

[norcal505]

Obama Biden 08'!

[Pugsley]

Obama Biden 08'!

Name three things Obama has accomplished in his career that makes you think he would make a great president.

[N9TE]

Name three things Obama has accomplished in his career that makes you think he would make a great president.

You'd have thunk that he would have picked up the phone and called Jesse Jackson Jr. and got him to vote for the bailout plan?! With over 60 Democrats voting against it, they only needed ten more votes to get the job done.

He'd be a lousy president.

McCain was my last pick (Thompson > Hunter > Romney). I don't think I could have voted for Huckster. McCain is too much of a big government guy and craves liberal love (Cuomo as Treasury!?!. But nowhere near as random as Obama.

Google "CRA Freddy Mac" and "Franklin Raines" to learn more about Obama nifty associations. All the bad actors in government sub-prime lending regulations will be back with even more power in an Obama administration.

I would urge those to resist the cult of personality and learn about the issues that matter to you most.

[Pugsley]

N9TE: Im not a McCain guy, but what really bothes me about Obama is the fact that he was a twenty year member of a organization that preached hatred and racism. We live in a era where racism is supposed to be unacceptable yet we are supporting a presidential canidate who was part of a hate organization ? And look at his wife and using racial slurs like "whitey" Do we really want an angry racist women like that in the white house ? People are looking more at his skin color then his achievements.

Hitler is correct: he said it was fortunate that people dont think when electing governments.

People flock to Obama; and yet I keep asking over and over; name three things the guy has accomplished, and its always the same answer : crickets.

And as a vet who served in the gulf war: he does not put his hand over his heart when the flag is present. And canidate that does not do that is disrespecting this coutry and has no business running the country.

Only a moron could possibly believe you can negotiate or give money to terrorists.Ive been to the middle east: they live breath and are religeous about killing us, you cannot talk to these people.

Im against socialism: and thats what Obama is for. This is America, if you want something, go work for it. free handouts teaches lazyness. Socialized medicine is not the answer; we all complain how the government runs things, do we want them running our healthcare also ?

We are heading into a rough time ahead; do we really want a president with a empty resume and 183 days of actual experience running this country ?

Seem the last few elections I keep voting for the lesser evil.

[Kevin]

I think the bigger issue, other than the lack of mediocre candidates on both sides, no 3rd party, ect is the level of discourse in this country. It's pitiful. Nowhere can you have a real, thoughtful intelligent debate without people getting angry and preaching talking points. It isn't productive and only hurts the country.

[Pugsley]

As I listen to Senator Obama speak in Wisconsin today (Wed, Oct 1st) he states that he will make sure a plan is in place for middle class America in the Bail Out Package. Someone needs to inform the EMPTY SUIT that middle class America is the Bail Out Package. As long as you are not on welfare or an illegal immigrant receiving a FREE monthly check, FREE medical benefits and FREE housing you must go to work (as an employee as well as small business owner) everyday and pay your taxes and your own way because NO ONE is going to Bail you out. He also proposes to cut taxes for 95% of middle America, National Health Care, rebuild infrastructure, build new schools, lower the cost of college education, 500 Billion for new energy programs just as a start. Cut taxes and increase spending. The last time I heard or read of a Miracle of that magnitude was when Jesus Christ fed the multitude with only 5 FISH and 5 LOAVES of BREAD. However, some of his followers are dumb enough to compare him to Jesus Christ: maybe they think his ridiculous plan will really work ?

Does anyone see the holes in his plan ?

[norcal505]

Well the one that really seals the deal for me is the whole foriegn relations ordeal.

With McCain, who knows if they'd suddenly plan to take military action against a defenseless country like Iran.

Iran, being the country of my parents' birth, is not such a 'threat' as most americans today, think it is.

They don't want to start any war, or cause destruction.

Yes, Ahmadenejad may have made that outlandish comment on Israel, and the non-exsistence of the holocaust (which is ridiculous) but if you'd also have listened afterwards, he did in some way apologize for the rash comments he made.

Also another significant problem bt. the american news w. Iran is their misinterpretations.

Listening to Iranian news, if you know farsi (like me), you would understand that they do NOT want to seek military action unless they are FORCED to, in defense.

Iran is a country that is rich, and full of history, knowledge, and beautiful views.

It is not a country that most think of it being, with a bunch of islamic extremests, and people preaching death to the usa.

The only idiots in the country, which kinda screws up the whole gov's decision making process is the presense of the mullahs.

My grandfather was a general in the Shah's army, and with the revolution, left the country (beforehand), and came to america, where all of his children grew up, and established themselves well into society.

Also, not being a fully muslim family, and bahai, another issue in Iran (still on going) are the hate crimes against the bahai people-a peaceful bunch who believe in god, and kindness.

So before you all think that Iran is a country worth bombing, think again.

I feel safer with Obama, as he is a man who knows how to talk, and negotiate.

I believe that he could be the person to patch up relations with Iran, and restore contact, such as the embassy.

[N9TE]

Couple of points: Michelle didn't do the "whitey" comment. Unless it IS on tape and someone is keeping it in their back pocket until a week before the election. People have looked hard for it. Although I have to admit, Michelle looks like the angriest woman I've ever seen. And I agree with Pugsley, Just like Clinton, both of them are lawyers who see everything through the lens of government. Obama never had a job in the private sector unless you count sitting on a board directing government money to constituants and private. I'd also argue that he's not as smart and shrewd as Clinton. Love him or hate him, 'toon, was a smart guy.

Iran: Weakness and inexperience cloaked in "dialog" is not safety. It's common knowledge to those that follow world politics that some 70% of Iranians are under 35 years old and are not of the mullah era or mindset (like Achmedinijad). Jimmy Carter was a candy-ass who wanted to sing Kum Ba Ya with everybody and some hardliners made him look like a fool and plunged a country into darkness for coming up on three generations.

IF the hardliners think there's another Carter to deal with, they'll see it as a GO signal. Achmedinijad himself was one of the thugs that held our diplomats for 444 days. He KNOWS a chump when he sees one. Why do you think they let them go the day Reagan took office?

McCain will project strength and check aggression. Both of what is needed with Iran. The ruling class' days are numbered and they need to be changed out from within. If the mullahs and MA get to change Iran's focus from their problems to and Iraqi and Israelie adventure, the focus will be off them and their broken social system and projected outward. Happens all the time (see Napolean, Hitler, Stalin and lately, Putin).

The MidEast will turn into a cauldren if we faint-and-bob with a weak President. And just like in Somolia with Clinton, good brave men will get no backup when they need it the most. Ask Achmedinijad, nothing rallies the impressionable like a bunch of dead Americans perceived as weak.

Obama as a peacemaker for the MidEast doesn't square up. Not even close.

[Pugsley]

I feel safer with Obama, as he is a man who knows how to talk, and negotiate.

I believe that he could be the person to patch up relations with Iran, and restore contact, such as the embassy.

What has Obama accomplished in his career that makes you think he could do that ? He has no experience in foreign policy or dealing with other countries.

[Pugsley]

Couple of points: Michelle didn't do the "whitey" comment. Unless it IS on tape and someone is keeping it in their back pocket until a week before the election. People have looked hard for it. Although I have to admit, Michelle looks like the angriest woman I've ever seen. And I agree with Pugsley, Just like Clinton, both of them are lawyers who see everything through the lens of government. Obama never had a job in the private sector unless you count sitting on a board directing government money to constituants and private. I'd also argue that he's not as smart and shrewd as Clinton. Love him or hate him, 'toon, was a smart guy.

I dont know if she did, but the shoe fits the foot: those two were members of hate organization disguised as a church. Ive been to several churches (wife is Catholic, I am not) and never have I heard such hatred preached like Rev White did. Apperently the hatred didnt offend them one bit until the press caught on to it. I thought church was about love and forgiveness ?

Wasnt it Shakespeare that said "First lets kill all the lawyers?"

[N9TE]

What has Obama accomplished in his career that makes you think he could do that ? He has no experience in foreign policy or dealing with other countries.

There was that thing about "Obama knowing how to talk and negotiate". I not so sure. He's led a pretty charmed life. His "typical white" grandparents showed him nothing but love and respect. He went to a good law school. He then went to a Chicago and fell in with the Alinksy types and Rev White. No real issues there. He easily got elected to the State Senate and was adopted by the majority leader where he could attach his name to bills that other lawmakers wrote. If you saw the CNN profile, he was then going to run for President. He would have never won the US Senate seat unless Jack Ryan (Republican opponent that had to bow out of the race) hadn't had sick fantasys with his wife, Jerry Ryan. (What WAS that guy thinking!!)

So he gets a free pass into the US Senate, stays in there 18 months, does the minimum and runs for President.

He's never had to CLASH with anybody. He doesn't know what it's like to have your back to the wall. John McCain, on the other hand has survived the depths of hell and come out a better man. My guess is if you can get your ass beaten so bad your own feces runs down your legs and you sob like a baby and survive it for six years, then to go on to help normalize relations with Vietnam later in life, you know what negoations are at the very finest (knowing how to act to get food for you and your buddies) and largest level (30 years in the senate).

Sure, Obama if elected will have the best military every assembled at his disposal and will be in a position of strength. But, McCain not only knows how do deal from a position of strentgh, but one of weakness. The President is relatively weak in our representative form of government with many checks.

The most effective Presidents lead. Obama tends to like to have other people take care of problems. (see inaction on House rescue vote, record in Senate, IL Senate). If you don't LEAD, others will go in their own direction (see Rice at State, Paulson at Treasury). If our foreign policy is vague, our enemies will see it (correctly) as a sign of weakness.

[Pugsley]

Obama doesnt know anything about our military, in the debate that was obvious.

OK, he says change: is that a good thing ? Problem is this country has so many people complining and finger pointing the negatives they forget how good we have it !

Socialism is not the answer.