Mike T

Here is a new one that was submitted today on our Registry website: 4499868, Carrosserie 13441, Cabriolet Carburator, 01 August 1967, Rouge China 1135, black leather, car was bought in the UK and brought to France by the present owner, and is under restoration in 2012, engine has been rebuilt, location: FRANCE Total: 1635 !

Thanks to Peter Teuffel: 6802686, Cabriolet Injection 1968, Blanc Arosa 1132, Cuir Noir,this car is being restored in 2012, a 404 Coupé is being used as a parts source, location: ARDIÈGE FRANCE Total: 1634 !

I am not sure, I think it was a redirect that opened up a window that looked as though it was a legitimate virus scan that had found 4 trojans. I killed the window of course. Will pay closer attention next time.

No. Autos Total by Country 1147 France 108 Netherlands 103 Germany 59 Sweden 40 USA 32 Belgium 21 Switzerland 13 Italy 13 Spain 10 South Africa 9 Austria 8 Canada 8 Great Britain 7 Greece 7 New Zealand 7 Finland 7 Australia 5 Norway 4 Portugal 3 Luxembourg 2 Morocco 2 New Caledonia 2 Serbia 2 Denmark 2 Tunisia 1 Costa Rica 1 Colombia 1 Madagascar 1 Turks and Caicos 1 Paraguay 1 Ireland 1 Venezuela 1 Slovenia 1 Hungary 1 Poland 1 Nicaragua 1 Chile 1633 TOTAL

I got a fake "your computer is infected" link from this site again today!! Something is still rotten.

Here is what you missed when the site was under occupation (I think there are still malware links here, I got another this evening): 6803401, Coupé Injection 1968, the engine is mounted in Cabriolet No. 6803124, location: CHAPONOST FRANCE 4598176, Cabriolet Injection 1966, Blanc Arosa 1132, Cuir Noir, location: LYON FRANCE 6802464, Coupé Injection 1968, Bleu Clair Métallisé 1158, location: SWEDEN 4597326, Cabriolet Injection 1966, Rouge China 1135, front turn signals are incorrect, location: MUNKFORS SWEDEN Additonally, a French forum member revealed the body number of his car (but not the chassis number): 4598249, No. Carrosserie: 10350, Cabriolet from March 1966, Blanc Arosa 1132, car is undergoing restoration in 2012, location: RODEMACK FRANCE 4595201, a Coupé Injection from 21 May 1965, Metallic Blue, Marchal Amplilux headlights, location: SWEDEN 4498171, Coupé Carburator, 02 April 1965, Gris Graphite 1055, SWEDEN 4593057, Coupé Injection, 26 August 1964, Bleu Ciel 1041, SWEDEN 4593230, Coupé Injection, 30 November 1964, Bleu Foncé 1057, SWEDEN 4593440, Coupé Injection, 22 September 1964, Bleu Foncé 1057, SWEDEN 4594208, Coupé Injection, 03 November 1964, Noir 1000, SWEDEN 4597834, Coupé Injection, 14 February 1966, Blanc Arosa 1132, SWEDEN 4597836, Coupé Injection, 11 August 1966, Blanc Arosa 1132, MALMÖ SWEDEN 4598269, Coupé Injection, 12 July 1966, Bleu Ciel 1041, SWEDEN 6801728, Coupé Injection, 11 October 1967, Blanc Arosa 1132, SWEDEN 6802211, C Injection, 17 September 1968, Gris Clair Métallisé 1162, SWEDEN 6802449, Coupé Injection, 23 April 1968, Blanc Arosa 1132, SWEDEN 6802450, Coupé Injection, 01 January 1968, Blanc Arosa 1132, SWEDEN 6802453, Coupé Injection, 30 May 1968, Blanc Arosa 1132, SWEDEN 4593315, Cabriolet Injection, 01 January 1964, Blanc Saratoga 1031, the web site of Transport Styrelsen indicates that is is Bleu Ciel (nearly white!), location: SWEDEN 4596218, Cabriolet Injection, 09 July 1965, Rouge China 1135, originally Noir 1000, location: SWEDEN 6800525, Coupé Injection, 01 January 1967, Noir 1000, location: SWEDEN 4594280, Cabriolet Injection 1965, Rouge China 1135, location: CAMPAGNE LES WARDRESQUES FRANCE 4499274, a Coupé with Carburator engine, a parts source for other cars, location: BOËN FRANCE 4590671, Carrosserie No. 1453, a Cabriolet Injection, model year 1963, Ivoire Chantilly 1039, stored in a barn for decades and now the floors and brakes have been rebuilt, location: SWITZERLAND. Total: 1633 cars!

I think it could be bad news, but the good news is that Peugeot was a wallflower at the Prom and its biological clock was at 3 seconds to midnight (OK so I am not a good creative writer!)...... is it better to have some sort of partnership than it would be to totally run out of cash in early 2013? I think so, short-term. The pullout from Les Vingt-Quatre Heures Du Mans was the wake-up call for me, I thought PSA was doing relatively OK until that happened. It reminded me of the retreat from North America. Which - I am convinced - is part of their problem even now; not selling luxury and sporty cars here with RWD platforms with a measure of success from 1991-2011 is what has led to their present dilemma. It is interesting to read PSA's own spokepeople saying that they need to "move upmarket", yeah like DUH, that's what many of us have been saying for decades. You can't make cheap econoboxes in France cheaply enough to compete with the Asian competition, so they ought to have done what VAG did, exactly. Make your Audis in the home country, some upmarket VWs too, make the cheap stuff in Mexico etc.....even Daimler has that one figured out.

Here is another: No. Carrosserie 14475, Cabriolet Injection, 1968 model, Blanc Arosa 1132 et Cuir Noir, Resored in 2006, for sale Jan. 2012 on leboncoin, location: WISSEMBOURG FRANCE Total: 1608!

Here is another one, found today: 4592197, Cabriolet Injection, 18 October 1963, Blue, originally Blanc Saratoga, location: FRANCE Total: 1607!

Agreed, there must have been some white knuckles around the Board table at 75 Avenue de la Grande Armée when they decided to pull the plug on the 908 program two days ago, having just received several 2012 spec tubs from Germany, making new parts for the 2012 model starting 4 weeks ago and being in Florida already for testing. You just don't do that sort of thing mid-stream unless there is a breathless panic at the highest levels in the corporation. I think this ranks right up there with the departure from North America as a betrayal for the enthusiasts. Jean Todt was asked to comment on this and he said that it's best to strengthen committments to programs like this when times are tough. This is exactly what happened when Peugeot began the 205 T16 program the last time they were a millimetre from going tits up. Peugeot is in deep trouble again, and this decision just made it worse. I figure in a few years they will be an arm of a larger corporation from another country.

We have found two more: 6801413, Carrosserie No. 14387, Coupé Injection from 28 December 1967, Blanc Arosa 1132 with blakc vinyl seats, very good condition, Nardi floorshift, Jaeger sports instrument panel, Robergel hubcaps, car has been in the family since new, location: BONNIERES SUR SEINE FRANCE 4595368, Cabriolet Injection from 07 January 1965, Noir 1000 with red leather, location: SOMMESOUS FRANCE Total: 1606!

With great thanks to the son of the owner of this lovely example of a 404 C; this car figures in a series of photos that were posted on Flickr: 4498453, No de Carrosserie : 7310, a Cabriolet with Carburator engine, Model Year 1965, colour: Noir 1000, interior in red leather, superb condition, US Model, location: SACRAMENTO CA USA Total: 1604!

Thanks again to Gilles G of Le Club 404: 4499214, a Cabriolet Carburator of 28 June 1966, location: SAINT USUGE FRANCE 6800859, a Cabriolet Injection of 17 April 1967, location: BOUSSE FRANCE 6800809, a Coupé Injection, Model Year 1967, location: BOUSSE FRANCE Total: 1603!

Thanks to Peter Teuffel in Germany for the 1600th 404 C that has been added to the Registry! 6801136, a Cabriolet Injection, Model year 1967, Blanc Arosa 1132, Black Leather, Robergel wire wheels, no "Injection" sign on the back panel, location: FRANCE

This site was down during the receipt of the previous 4 new ones, but here is the fifth: When the Club 404 had a request for brake parts, the following new number was added to the Registry (thanks again to Gilles G): 4670028, Cabriolet with Carburator engine of 03 July 1967, colour not stated, location: FRANCE Total: 1599!

Here is another new one, thanks to Gilles Gouret for asking certain Club 404 members to check their cars' data: 4599073, Coupé Injection, 18 March 1966, Blanc Arosa 1132, Blue Cloth, location: LUNEVILLE FRANCE Total: 1594 !

Thanks to a new club 404 member: 6803124, a Cabriolet Injection from 1968, Rouge China 1135, Black Leather, location: LYON FRANCE Total: 1593! I may get a photo later, in which case I will post it.

I think that PSA thought they could get away with a presence in the eastern economies only, that had up until recently great growth rates, so anyone present in those markets was making tons of money. But as the Asian markets become more competitive, and the car buyers become more sophisticated and attuned to matters like brand image, PSA's models will be squeezed out, just as they were from North America more than 20 years ago. Their best cars are the cheap ones and they still can't make a decent luxury car. So in short, I think that PSA may be realising (too late?) that they should have remained in North America, and should not have abandoned a RWD platform for their more expensive cars. The USA is where so much of the global reputation for car quality and brand perception (right or wrong) originates. They faced a similar problem back in the sixties: remain a low volume brand like SAAB or Volvo and be swallowed up by others (or disappear) or become a volume car maker. They chose the latter. I think that around now, they have some more soul-searching to do. Their home market is in a bad condition, Europe is duff, the emerging markets they were counting on to remain somewhat profitable are getting tougher to compete against the likes of Audi BMW and M-B in, so maybe they will finally have to become a truly international brand, with a presence here. Twenty years ago I thought that they would never come back but now I think there is a 50% chance they will be back in one form or another in the next ten years, unless their financial situation is so dire that they end up as a large SAAB-type case.

Here is another one, courtesy of Gilles78 from Le Club 404: 6800756, a Cabriolet Injection, 12 April 1967, Rouge China 1135 with Black Leather, location: LA CELLE ST-CLOUD FRANCE Total: 1592 !

Here is another 404 C: 6800479, a Coupé Injection from 1967, Red with Beige cloth, Ex-Italy, Nardi floor shifter, former Italian license plate (I) MS 78351, location: BEAUMONT BELGIUM Total: 1591!

Merry Christmas to those who celebrate it and all the best to all others!

And the seller "generously" offered to get me to phone the actual owner....not worth the cost! That and the photos make it look as genuine as a $3 bill.

It doesn;t look much like a 1961 from the photos, I have asked the seller for a VIN to check the age.

The 107th 404C has been added for the Netherlands: 4597176, Carrosserie No. 9090, a Cabriolet Injection of 25 September 1965, Rouge China 1135 and black leather, this car is undergoing a restoration in 2011/2012, location: EEFDE NETHERLANDS Total: 1590!

"Some soapy water and a polish and she'll be as good as new?" Not really, the other photo (not posted) shows that this car needs a major restoration: 6801684, a Cabriolet Injection 1968, Bleu Mendoza 1134, location: 55000 (Département MEUSE) FRANCE Total : 1589!