Mike T

4598299, Carrosserie 10421, Cabriolet Injection 1966, Rouge China 1135, Cuir Noir 2000, LAMORLAYE FRANCE Total: 2027 !

Thanks to Yoann Nikodem for finding this one: 4599931, Cabriolet Injection 1967, Rouge China 1135, Cuir Noir 2000, Restoration required, Hard top, Nardi floor shifter, Jaeger tachometer on dashboard, FRANCE Total: 2026 !

Here is a photo of 4590385. It has a 1967-68 type front end - a conversion often done following a collision back in the day. Whether the car will have the original type of front end fitted at the restoration is unknown to me.

Thanks to Peter Teuffel for this one: 4590385, Cabriolet Injection, 06 October 1962, purchased by a professional restorer for eventual resale, SARTROUVILLE FRANCE Total: 2025 !

Yes, but if the car has been in MTL all those years, it probably needs new bearings first!

I like it!

Today I got another one: 4670829, Carrosserie No. 168xx, Coupé Carburetor 1968, Bleu Clair Métallisé 1158, Black seats, photos taken at Valençay last weekend, CAEN FRANCE Total: 2024 !

Finally, today I got one more! 4599071, Coupé Injection 1966 , Bleu Foncé 1057, Crème seats, Being restored May 2016, originally it was the car of the boss of a Peugeot concessionnaire in Orléans, PYRENEES ATLANTIQUES FRANCE Total: 2023 !

My first decent-ish bike was a 1969 model Peugeot P8E, drop bars, 10 speed, Dutch "corncob" rear cluster, "tube spécial alliage Peugeot" (in other words, the cheap stuff) with godawful Simplex gears made out of delrin plastic. Oh yeah and steel chromed Rigida rims. Nevertheless, this bike was my riding partner between early 1970 and 1978. In the period 1970-1972, I rode it around the southern part of the Netherlands, and into Germany and Belgium, on day trips with my friends. We were all aged 10-12. I moved back to Canada in 1972 and this bike came with me. The rear derailleur got caught in the spokes so I got a cheap Campagnolo unit, the 700C tires were not available in Canada so my Dad had to buy me new wheels (with a new Alpine rear cluster, YES!) and a few other repairs were made over the years. The bike was too small for me by then but the household budget was limited....Someone in North Vancouver relieved me of this Peugeot in 1978. I really should thank them. I tried to get another Peugeot but they were not available locally in 1978, at least not a decent one with 531 tubes. So the insurance company bought me a new 1978 Raleigh Super Course with a 25" frame, 531 triangle, Suntour Cyclone stuff, Weinmann rims, a good basic bike. That bike and I have been inseparable since I was 18 and it is still used regularly as a beater, with fenders fitted. I crashed it heavily in 1993 and bent the frame. A friend in France looked up new Peugeot frames and I considered getting one, but the damaged frame was straightened at a builder's shop in Edmonton and so it soldiered on. And it does so today with about 45,000 km on it. As an aside, Peugeot spun off its bike making business to Cycleurope in ~1990 so they have been Peugeots in name only since then. And now the Peugeot family is talking about revoking their licensing agreements to all other spun off businesses (scooters, bikes, pepper mills, hand tools, power tools....). So I really didn't want another Peugeot bike, even in 1993. In 2010 I bought my first new bike since 1978: a Cervélo RS, 58 cm frame, Shimano Ultegra all around plus Fulcrum Racing 1 Competition wheels. Even though it's a fairly basic bike by modern standards, it's a friggin' rocket on the road, dead reliable and I have put about 17,000 km on it in 5 years (plus the Raleigh gets ridden a fair bit too). These days I typically ride 4000-5000 km in a season (only at 1100 so far in 2016, but the year is young). Every year I ride the Granfondo Axel Merckx in Penticton BC and sometimes one other. Last year my son (who has a Cannondale Synapse with Mavic Ksyrium wheels) and I rode from Jasper to Banff in two days on these bikes. We left care packages at the midpoint (Saskatchewan River Crossing) and the endpoint (Best Western Siding 29 in Banff) and rode with virtually nothing to carry. The weather was turning those first two days of September so we had some interesting 0 degree and sleet weather on the Icefields summit! Love cycling!

Yeah baby, that's what I'm talking about!

Using the name is OK if you are a club for a marque. They wouldn't care at all, I guarantee it. We call the smart club "Clubsmartcar" and use their logo and an effigy of the 450 model. We got an email from M-B Canada saying it is OK. If you are worried, send an email to Peugeot stating that you want to register the URL of CanAmPeugeot.com for a Canadian and American Peugeot club, they won't care at all. Or just do it, and they won't care either. Every European club uses Peugeot in their club names and URLs.

I have never liked that Limey-ism of calling Peugeots "Pugs". CanAmPeugeot.com would be loads better.

Welcome Rob! Any 404s in Chile like the one above would be very good to add to the 404 registry that I am doing for Le Club 404: http://www.smrtash.ca/404/browse.php?country=CHILE For that I would need the serial number or engine number. Also, I would be interested to see which 404 parts are available in Chile.

Here is a new one, but without a photo: 4499541, Carrosserie 11741, Cabriolet Carburateur 1967, Blanc Arosa 1132, Cuir Noir 2000, BRUNELLES FRANCE Total: 2022 !

Submitted on the Registry website: 6802759, Carrosserie 16151, Cabriolet Injection, 12 mars 1968, Blanc Arosa 1132, Navy blue seats with white piping, Hard Top, HOMBLEUX FRANCE Total: 2021 !

Raoul Aubry in France found this one for me today: 6802026, Cabriolet Injection 1968, Blanc Arosa 1132, Cuir Noir 2000, EVREUX FRANCE Total: 2020 !

Here is a 404 Cabriolet that I found the serial number of today: 4594289, Cabriolet Injection, 21 septembre 1964, Blanc Saratoga 1031, black vinyl seating, Car will be auctioned (Interencheres.com) March 2016, estimated at 8-10K €, quite rusty, carbureted engine, VANNES FRANCE Total: 2019 !

Thanks again to Michel Verdier, who found the latest addition: 6802236 Carrosserie 15456, Coupé Injection, 31 janvier 1968, Blanc Arosa 1132, Skai Noir 3000, LA CELLE-LES-BORDES FRANCE Total: 2018 !

Summary of the 2017 examples of the 404C in the Registry: Cabriolet: 1333 = 12,8% of the total number of Cabriolets made are registered Coupé: 633 = 9,5% of the total number of Coupés made are registered C (type unknown): 51 - probably most of these are Cabriolets but it is hard to know for sure. 1962 Model: 657 cars made, 65 registered = 9,89% 1963 Model: 2181 cars made, 163 registered = 7,47% 1964 Model: 2252 cars made, 152 registered = 6,75% 1965 Model: 3477 cars made, 287 registered = 8,25% 1966 Model: 2903 cars made, 374 registered = 12,88% 1967 Model: 2904 cars made, 439 registered = 15,12% 1968 Model: 2427 cars made, 390 registered = 16,07% 1969 Model (post July 1968 production): 424 cars made, 147 registered = 34,67% (please note that adding all the year-totals up results in 17,225 cars....and also the highest known Carrosserie number of a 404C is 17256, so more than 17,223 were probably made) 1402 registered cars with Injection engine = 69,51% 614 registered cars with Carburetor engine = 30,44% (one has an unknown engine, it was identified by only Carrosserie Peugeot number, not VIN) Surviving Registered Cars: 1956 = 96,98% Scrapped Registered Cars: 61 = 3,02% 155 registered cars have the Nardi Floor gearshift lever 19 registered cars have the Jaeger sports instrument panel 16 registered cars are Right Hand Drive Colours: number of cars = % of total registered Blanc Arosa 1132: 307 = 26,42% Blanc Saratoga 1031: 123 = 10,59% Gris Clair Métallisé 1162: 116 = 9,98% Rouge China 1135: 104 = 8,95% Rouge Capanelle 1033: 69 = 5,94% Bleu Clair Métallisé 1158: 68 = 5,85% Noir 1000: 58 = 4,99% Bleu Ciel 1041: 51= 4,39% Gris Graphite 1055: 38 = 3,27% Bleu Foncé 1057: 33 = 2,84% Bleu Pavone 1036: 29 = 2,50% Bleu Mendoza 1134: 25 = 2,15% Ivoire Safari 1083: 13 = 1,12% Ivoire Chantilly 1039: 12 = 1,03% Vert Calypso 1195: 2 = 0,17% Aigue Marine 1159: 1 = 0,09% Rouge Amarante 1165: 1 = 0,09% Blanc Courchevel 1079: 1 = 0,09% 934 = 46,31% of the registered cars have an associated photo (I would like to improve that, much closer to 100%!) 270 of the Cabriolets are known to have a Hard Top 47 cars have Robergel wire wheels Car location: 1376 - France 146 - Germany 124 - Netherlands 67 - USA 62 - Sweden 43 - Belgium 23 - Switzerland 16 - Spain 15 - Great Britain 14 - Italy 12 - Portugal 12 - South Africa 12 - Canada 12 - Greece 11 - Austria 7 - New Zealand 7 - Finland 7 - Australia 6 - Norway 5 - Luxembourg 3 - Hungary 3 - Denmark 3 - Kenya 2 - Morocco 2 - New Caledonia 2 - Serbia 2 - Tunisia 2 - Uruguay 2 - Iran 2 - Ireland 2 - Israel 2 - Poland 2 - Chile 1 - Costa Rica 1 - Colombia 1 - Madagascar 1 - Turks and Caicos 1 - Paraguay 1 - Venezuela 1 - Nicaragua 1 - India 1 - Mexico 1 - Zimbabwe 1 - Guatemala

Thanks to Michel Verdier for this new one: 6802427, Cabriolet Injection, 24 juin 1968, Cuir Noir 2000, LOUVECIENNES FRANCE He told me that he should have a photo of the car next week Total: 2017 !

Sorry I am so late in replying! http://www.smrtash.ca/404/browse.php?country=USA Now other than the 404 Coupé and Cabriolet models, most of the others are gleaned from VIN databases that were old. However, with 67 404C cars identified in the USA, and discounting however many would have been imported after 1968, that is a fair number. if that is 12%, then that would mean that 560 404Cs were sold when new in the USA, which is 3.5% of the total. That number seems high to me. But I agree about the 505 being less collectible. I guess it's hard to know.

Big thanks go out to Marc Maksimow from California, who found this car while on a cross-country road trip, in the State of Georgia: 4497352, Carrosserie 4201, Cabriolet Carburetor 1964, Rouge Capanelle 1033, Cuir Noir 2000, GEORGIA USA Total: 2016 !

Good day from Tofino British Columbia (little holiday for us), Today I got this one through Facebook: 4670461, Coupé Carburetor 1968, Blanc Arosa 1132, being repainted February 2016, VALPARAISO CHILE Total: 2015 !

That sounds very low. I used to think the same about the 404C. I used to imagine that maybe 800 were left worldwide. But in the 404C Registry started in 2009, we have found - 50 years on mind you - that at least 12% of the original production still exists - a total of 2014 cars at last count. Now that's likely to head upward to 15% and beyond as we keep at it. I don't think that as high a percentage of 505s will have survived despite them being 20 years newer than the 404C...but still....consider that 60 404Cs are confirmed by VIN to be in the USA and a further 12 in Canada. Does that help? How many 505Ts were sold in the USA and Canada? How many are just hoarded in garages, likely to reappear later?

I cleaned it too but it is the chemical in the plastic that makes the tip feel soft that is separating and turning sticky. It is possible to clean it off with acetone but then it goes the same way again and also feels sticky in damp weather.