august Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 I've heard quite a few people on the peugeot-l list talk about doing a twin turbo PRV 505 v6 motor, but that seems to be the end of it (or maybe they actually did fully complete it, get 800hp out of their 505, and never talked to us again, bastards!) j/k. The post yesterday about the Proxima is interesting because it turns out they did actually use the same 2.8 V6, but beefed it up, and turbo charged it.. the 140hp -> 600hp gain is rather interesting.. I'd imagine we could find after market parts for the motor though, being its used by delorian, and volvo which are obviously both available in this country.. hmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august Posted August 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 505 manifolds: more on this thread: http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthrea...2818#post242818 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august Posted August 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 (John Lane post to the delorean list regarding his monster PRV volvo motor) Subj:  Re: PRV 500 HPs?????Date: 04/09/2003 8:41:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: jlane@(John Lane) To: Senatorpack Hello to all who are interested in making their PRV break drivetrain parts. I have been hugely successful in doing just that. I have had a number of queries as to how I have made my toy just sooo darned silly fast. Here goes..... I am using the engine block with the cross-bolted main bearings and oil to water oil cooler as used in the Volvo B-280. I am using the cylinder heads of an Eagle Premier/Dodge Monaco, as the intake ports of the Premier are MUCH better then Volvo used. Set them side by side to see how Volvo managed to choke the V-6 back to making less power then the turbo-4. The heads got ported on the intake side to tidy up a bit, and a LOT in the exhaust to help that ugly mess. The camshafts of the Volvo flavor will give better top end power, and alloy rocker arms are readily available from Volvo. The Volvo cams are of the mechanical variety, so you will get to adjust valves. I have not tried the Premier cams with their hydraulic valve lash adjusters for anything but a street engine, but in that form it ran just fine naturally aspirated. The Premier cams are certainly of the flavor which will make for more low end power. I use the throttle body as used in the Volvo engine as it is of larger diameter, and it is aimed better for the turbo. For pistons I am using J&E forged slugs with a dish in them to drop compression to 8 to 1. I am using the liners from the Premier for three liters of displacement. More cubes is more fun all else being equal. I have learned the hard way that the standard connecting rods are not up to the task. When it blew up, all the rods except for the one that made shrapnel were shorter by one to two mm. Too many parts were missing from the broken rod to guess how much shorter it was before it expired. Yikes!! Forced induction will push a LOT harder on everything. My answer for that was to pick out an Eagle Racing connecting rod (think Merikanski V-8 stuff which is made by the bajillion and therefore relatively affordable) which is close dimensionally to what we need and have the machinist go wild to make 'em work. Lots of effort for rods which have not had to be babysat since. Just the way I like 'em. The whole rotating mess got balanced with the flywheel and the clutch. The turbo is a nice big T-04 that I had made up for me based on my requirements. The turbo manifold was made up special to get from the exhaust manifolds to the turbo. I use an HKS external wastegate, and am as tickled as can be with how it works. I am not fond of internal wastegates. Boost creep and other naughtiness.... Oil gets to the turbo via a metal braided hose which is tapped into the big plug next to the oil filter. I have never checked my oil pressure, but have had zero oiling issues. If it don't sieze, it has to be all good right? I use Mobil One synthetic oil. Oil from the turbo drain gets back to the pan via the hole in the upper pan (as used in Volvo) next to the hole used for the dipstick. Volvo used this hole in the 760 for an oil level sensor. We don't need it. We service and pay attention to our engines right? The turbo feeds it's warm compressed air to a Ford Powerstroke Diesel intercooler fitted in front of the radiator. Ignore what the naysayers snivel about with having a huge intercooler. It is the ONLY way to go compared with a smaller less efficient unit. Fuel and ignition is handled with Electromotive laptop programmable fuel infection and ignition. With this system, or a similar arrangement one can have perfect drivability with legal emissions and monster power in boost. Careful though.....One is only a couple of keystrokes away from blowing it up should you get it wrong. It is the incentive program.....Do Not get it wrong. I had the nice folks at Electromotive supply me with the proper size injectors along with a fuel pressure regulator and all the GM sensors I needed to do this. It uses a MAP sensor, so no air mass meter to fail, or be in the way of free flowing air.  Now I have a MAP sensor to fail, but have not experienced that yet. I am using the fuel pump arrangement as used in later model Mercedes V-8 and V-12 cars. This an arrangement that the wrecking yard will be happy to sell you for around $150.00, and it will feed as much power as we are going to make. You will need larger fuel supply lines. I am using the exhaust manifolds of the Volvo as they clear my steering linkage. The manifolds in the Premier look better for flow, but will not fit in my car without a lot of work. The Volvo manifolds do not seem to be slowing me down. : ) My flywheel is the Volvo thing; lightened on the brakelathe, and then fitted with a Quarter Master three disc clutch. The On-off switch which WILL apply all that power. WARNING: This combination has resulted in my breaking EVERY part in the drivetrain downstream of the engine. It will make HUGE torque, and everything must be up to the task, or you will have many expensive misadventures with breaking things in inconvenient places. All in good fun though. I have had a few folks ask how much dough it takes to do this. The short answer is a LOT. I did my project slowly over time.......Electromotive got done while it was naturally aspirated. It made a noticeable improvement over K-Jet. This is not a project for the weak of spirit or those of us who are wanting a very straight forward swap. It is a lot of work, and has made my rallycar what I believe to be one of the most amusing to drive and watch here in the states. I went out of my way to NOT keep track of how much dough I have in this project......Remember......Complete drivetrain, suspension and brakes to go with this. One must not just bolt in a stoopid fast engine and expect to not have to attend to stopping or turning at high speeds. Forgive the soapbox. Go git 'em guys and gals. JohnLane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august Posted August 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 more aussiefrog pictures: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
505T Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 179 kW = 245 hp. I thought there would be more, but then again what do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
august Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 i believe that figure is with stock cams, and a stock bottom end though.. from what i understand, cams make a big difference, then beefing up the bottom end and running more hten 6psi can produce some serious HP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 The aussie guys are using LPG for their turbo V6's as well I believe. I haven't been on there for a while - but I remember a couple that were mentioned a while back and they were LPG for sure. (LPG = natural gas) Still a very slick set up - and with fuel prices where they are, LPG might be the way to go! Rabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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