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Gear ratios, Cd, frontal area


Johnny

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What are the gear ratios on the gearboxes fitted on the 505 turbo's -88?

Also, data on Cd-value and frontal area are interesting.

I've read that the older 505 turbo's (before 86 I think) have a Cd of 0.41 , and the later 505's have a Cd of 0.37 (because of the little spoiler on the trunklid).

I think that this only applies to the euro-models.

The only data I've found on the frontal area of 505's are 1.97m2 which is for a 505 sti, but the area should be the same for the turbos?

It would be great if anyone could confirm or comment these values!

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any idea of the gearratios?

I have some from the "Technical description" from Toni's site, but I don't know if all 505 TI had the same gearbox.

Here's the data I have anyway,

1: 0,2893

2: 0,4851

3: 0,7109

4: 1,0000

5: 1,2154

Reverse: 0,2863

final drive: 0,2702

At 6500 rpm on the 5:th gear, this would give the car a speed of ~149 mph (if it can rev so high)

Someone called "jon mccurry" said in the vectorbd-archives this:

both 5spd and automatic

top out between 150-155mph-the speedometer on the 505 Turbo stops at

155mph for a reason, that's how fast it will go

Source: http://www.vectorbd.com/peugeot/archive/50...0/Dec/0282.html

He states later in the thread that the measuring was done with a radar-gun.

155 mph equals 6700-6800 rpm (with standard tyres).

As you all know, the rpm-limit is 6500 on these cars so that's not possible with the ratios given above.

So, either the ratios are different for the -88 5sp or he's (was) telling a big fat lie.

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Interesting.

Using the gear ratios above gives a speed of 123mph @6500rpm on the 4:th gear.

Which supports what you, this mccurry-guy and Grubbs is saying.

I ran some calculations for the wind-drag and the hp needed to maintain 157mph and it was way over 180hp, about 280 actually.

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Interesting.

Using the gear ratios above gives a speed of 123mph @6500rpm on the 4:th gear.

Which supports what you, this mccurry-guy and Grubbs is saying.

I ran some calculations for the wind-drag and the hp needed to maintain 157mph and it was way over 180hp, about 280 actually.

280hp sounds about right. i think jonathan claimed one of the danielson cars he had would "slam" the rev limiter in 5th. i think that was danielson head + cam, with 17psi boost, and in good tune. maybe 250, and i'm not sure about the slamming :P

jonathan was the one who owned most of the 'project' 505 turbo's that grubbs worked on.

i'll have to dig through some manuals and see if i can find some official numbers as far as the gear ratios.

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Allright... that could actully be true.

It kinda depends on what drag coefficient the car really had.

If I redo the calculations, then you need:

248hp@6500rpm with a Cd of 0.41

242hp@6500rpm with a Cd of 0.40

225hp@6500rpm with a Cd of 0.37.

And if we say that the danielson-cam moves the power-peak to 6000rpm instead of 5200 (I don't really know) and you have about 250 hp there, then it could be possible with that setup.

The last post was a poor attempt to estimate peak hp from hp @ 6500rpm and probably wasn't close to the truth.

If you can find the official data for the gear-ratios, that would be sweet!

Then one can calculate optimal revs to change gears (with the help of a powercurve).

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I've read that the older 505 turbo's (before 86 I think) have a Cd of 0.41 , and the later 505's have a Cd of 0.37 (because of the little spoiler on the trunklid).

I think that this only applies to the euro-models.

Here's the data I've collected from French magazines for European 505 sedans:

505 STI (1979-1982):

Cx: 0,42

505 STI Danielson 2.2 (1981->):

Cx: 0,37

505 STI Danielson V6 (1982->):

Cx: 0,37

505 GTI (1983-1985):

Cx: 0,37

SCx: 0,72

505 Turbo Injection (1983-1985):

Cx: 0,37

SCx: 0,75

505 Turbo Injection "Kit 200 ch" (1984-1985):

Cx: 0,365

SCx: 0,748

505 Turbo Injection / V6 / GTI (1986->):

Cx: 0,37

SCx: 0,76

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