Impretzle Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Hi everyone, Back in July, I picked up a 1988 Peugeot 205 GTI. This is my first french car- but not my first euro car. I also own a 1981 Audi Quattro. I'm a huge rally fan and drove 1000 miles in one day to pick this little pug up. It doesn't need much now, runs and drives great. I'll be updating this when I can. Thanks for looking! -Cameron More info on the Audi can be found here: http://www.motorgeek.com/viewtopic.php?t=46401 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Mmmmm. Ur Quattro - very nice! Your 205 looks minty as well so you have a very enviable garage! My only enviable Quattro related experience was having Stig Blomqvist pouring beer in Colorado Springs after we won the PPIHC '04 in a Ford RS200 EVO that he piloted. Best part was when he described what it was like when the 205 came onto the scene and started its domination. Rabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impretzle Posted October 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 As much as I love the quattro, it really was the 205 T16 that was the most dominant group B rally car. Interestingly enough, the previous owner of my quattro actually owned a 205 T16. He sold it back in 2010 I believe. I'll bet that was a good time hanging out with the real Stig! As far as my 205, there are few small things that need to be addressed. There is a rust spot in front of the drivers side rear wheel well- I've read that this is very common. Needs a new drivers seat base. There is a spring that's broken and the seat moves around quite a bit. When I was driving it the other day, with the lights on the battery light faintly came on for a little bit. I checked the output at the battery while it was running and it was above 14 volts. Then I checked the volts at the battery when it was off and they were around 12.5. I might pick up a spare alternator just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Stig said the reason the 205T16 was so fast was that it drove like a RWD car, and had the traction of AWD. He also said the transient response was incredible so it could switch directions in an instant. He commented Quattro was an understeering pig, so the only way to turn it was to flick and slide. Get it wrong and it plowed bad. Get it right and it waa incredible. He was telling us that Walter Röhrl was having a hell of a time figuring out how to rotate the car so Stig helped him in testing... Stig LOVED the RS200 - at the time he personally owned one. The PPIHC car I worked on was a beast - 900HP, and watching Stig launch it off the line and shift it so fast it was like it was a sequential was most memorable... As for your 205 - I'd highly recommend going over all electrical connections and grounds. Disassemble, clean, and use dielectric grease to seal connections. 96% of electrical issues are connection related on Peugeots. Rabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
my3AWDgst Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Beautiful cars and welcome to 505turbo forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRDT Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 The 205 Turbo 16 was a race car built for the Group B and using a chopped 205 shell as starting point, even the Sport Quattro wasn't that far from the Street cars. Some Turbo 16 stuff: http://www.auto-pub.net/page_Peugeot_205_Turbo_16_menu.htmhttp://www.106maxi.co.uk/mediapool/78/788866/data/205_T16_Schematic_Drawings.pdfhttp://www.106maxi.co.uk/mediapool/78/788866/data/205_T16_Parts_Document.pdfhttp://www.106maxi.co.uk/mediapool/78/788866/data/T16_Homologation.pdfhttp://www.peugeotsport-store.com/cms/web/upload/documentation/188/5088e18129433.pdfhttp://www.peugeotsport-store.com/cms/web/upload/documentation/190/5088e24e873a1.pdfhttp://www.peugeotsport-store.com/cms/web/upload/documentation/191/5088e312b849e.pdfhttp://www.peugeotsport-store.com/cms/web/upload/documentation/189/5088e1d7dbff8.pdf The differentials are from the 505 and the gearbox is from the Citroën SM / C35, better know in the US as the old gearbox from the Lotus Esprit. The 16v head design is close to the XU9J4 one, they switched from 4 to 8 exhaust ports on the Evo head. Your 205 is really nice BTW, graphite grey 1.6? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impretzle Posted October 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 The previous owners really took great care of this car. I have receipts dating back to the early 90's. This particular 205 is a 1.6 British import to the US back in 2013 I believe. It has had a good amount of work done to it. Engine has been rebuilt, new suspension, new brakes, 1.9 wheels, new shifter, new shifter linkages, and much more. I'll have to comb through the receipts to see what else was done. Amazingly, all of the electronics work! the PO was an electrical engineer I believe and sorted out all the lights and other electrical bits. This car is so much fun to drive. Light, nimble, responsive, direct throttle response... I absolutely love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethx Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 welcome to the forum! very nice 205, and a beautiful quattro; i read the thread and it's really amazing how much work you've put into it. andré Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impretzle Posted October 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Thanks for all the kind words! Here's a few more pics: Fixed a bit of surface rust, sanded it down, degreased, painted with rust encapsulating paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRDT Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Ther is one common electric problem that can be more expensive when you need to import spare parts: If the rear window defroster, air horn and cigar lighter receptacle fail at the same time with the F8 fuse not blown that means the problem is a cracked solder joint inside the fuse box. In that case you can change it (at least 175€ new) or fix it. For fixing it take it out of the car, remove the back cover and use a soldering iron: It's the one in the middle, but there's two layers on the fuse box and the cracked joint is on the other layer under the one you can see here ; so you need to reach it from the side with solder wire and heat it from outside with a good soldering iron. With this quick and cheap fix the fuse box will work as new for years. Your car looks great, and not so rusty for a Brit one ; is the wheel plastic? I'm more of a 309 guy but I think all the mk2 had a leather wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impretzle Posted October 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Interesting you post that because the horn stopped working for a bit but now is working again. I'll take a look and see what I can find. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impretzle Posted October 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Well I decided to take a look at the passenger side of the engine bay today and found even more rust. Decided the best way to get at it was to remove the headlamp. Well sure enough found even more rust under the headlamp, washer bottle, and battery. I had to leave for work so I couldn't finish up today. Also, I'll be ordering a new alternator soon. 98% sure that'll fix the battery light issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRDT Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 The dying fuse box does exactly that, you must check the others functions when the horn is not working. Also touching the defroster relay (far right) can fix it for a short time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 Just curious if the 'rust encapsulating' paint you are using is or similar to Por-15? Very interested in results you get over time. I drove Marc's 205 (which is running Falken Azenis 615's) and was astounded at the handling and grip the car was capable of. My 505 Turbo was not even close when I tried to keep up on the ascent of Pikes Peak highway, and it was even worse on the decent! Rabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRDT Posted October 24, 2015 Report Share Posted October 24, 2015 The handling is one of the best, the 1.9 is faster but not as fun. In fact due to the 25 year rule I guess it will be hard to import something way better than that. Later cars didn't have as much lift-off oversteer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impretzle Posted October 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Ground out as much as I could then painted over the rust. Looks like I'll be doing a but more of that on the front end as well. The paint I use is the Eastwood rust encapsulating spray. I've had good results working with it in the past. I have used por15, but found it a bit too temperamental as far as prep work. The spray is more convenient to use as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bean Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Ouch - rust was a fair bit worse in the last pictures, but the Eastwood product looks like it does a nice job. On my 89' I used a single stage automotive paint in a spray can to refresh my header panel and address some missing paint. As I get deeper into controlling underbody surface rust I'll have to get some of that as it is way more appealing to spray it. I currently don't have the equipment to spray POR-15, but I've heard that gives great results as well. Rabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impretzle Posted October 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 Yeah I don't have the capability to spray por15 either. I'm sure it would turn out pretty decent. The eastwood stuff is easy to use and has held up well on my quattro for a few years now. I think I'm gonna need a bit more haha- I might dissemble the front end and treat all the rust underneath before it spreads bad. That'll be a winter project for now. So I ordered a new alternator and it fixed my battery light issue. Since the 205 was never available in the US I did a bit of research and found that a gas 405 4 cylinder alternator would fit. Well, sure enough it did with no issues. Funny how you fix one thing and another pops up...my radiator is leaking a small amount. It might be more cost efficient to have mine re-cored locally as opposed to ordering one from across the pond. With all that being said, I love fixing these kinds of things! Keeps my mind off the stresses of work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRDT Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 You can use lots of 405 1.9 8v engine parts, like the aluminium block, cylinder sleeves, head bolts and a lot of little parts probably hard to source in the US. http://www.miamistu.co.uk/pug/ For the rust problem dissembling the wings without damaging them can be time consuming as they are bolted and glued from the factory. I hope your car was damaged and poor rust protection led to this, if not that means the rust is probably spread all over the body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impretzle Posted November 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 Not much has been going on lately, really just trying to take care of small rust spots. I decided to tint the driving lights yellow like the t16. I think they turned out pretty good. I refinished the metal brackets that hold them in place too. I also had to clean up the glass on the lights because a lot of rust/dirt had stained them. Rear end needs to come up just a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethx Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 looking good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRDT Posted November 16, 2015 Report Share Posted November 16, 2015 In france before 1993 yellow lights where mandatory, the T16 and the early GTI used yellow glass and later it was a clear glass and a yellow reflector: Now for the headlights you need yellow H4 for a perfect 80' look: http://www.rallylights.com/cpballoonaw-yellow-balloon-fits-h4-bulb.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impretzle Posted May 24, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2016 Car is running well. I had to get the alternator fixed, again. This time instead of getting a cheap replacement, i had a local shop fix it with quality parts. Also fixed a little corrosion on the hood latch so I took that all apart and cleaned it up. The GTI was invited to the 2016 Carlisle Import and Performance national show in PA. I took it up there along with my quattro to be on display. It looks pretty good but there are a few scratches i need to get out of the clear coat. There were some fantastic cars at the show. A few pugs on saturday, the weather chased most people away. I LOVE the R5 turbo II, and both Alpines- even if one was built in Brazil. Also, I'm pretty sure the support bearing in the long driveshaft is on it's last leg. It's getting noisey.           Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goce Posted May 25, 2016 Report Share Posted May 25, 2016 Beautiful car, glad to hear that the car is been seen and driven and not just stored, the long drive shaft bearing is easy enough to do, the bearing in self is standard size, i've changed it in my cars many times, it is a good idea to change the axle seals and gearbox oil while you in there they are the same size as a 405, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peugey Posted March 27, 2017 Report Share Posted March 27, 2017 Great looking car. impressive build. nice work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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