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  1. So, having completely failed to document my California trip to pick up two V6 505s (one of which is still stuck at the border, but that's another story...) I have decided I'm not going to make that mistake when I set about reconditioning the 5-speed STX I bought from Thomas Kinder. This is my winter project, the object of which is to be driving this car next spring. Time and finances will dictate how far I get, but I'm optimistic. This car was, to be frank, absolutely worth the long drive to Roseville to get it and bring it home. It will be a very special car when I'm finished with it, and will make a nice sister ship to the STI, which I will be working on concurrently. My goal is to have both in tip-top shape next summer. So, with that in mind, details of the project will be posted here, along with links to the videos I plan to post on YouTube in order to document everything. I uploaded the first video today, an overview of the car as it stands right now, talking a bit about some of the things that need to be fixed and some of my plans for it. Each time I tackle a major task I plan to post details and a video, hopefully to be of interest to the group and also to keep me motivated. So, without further ado here is a link to the Walkaround video, and a few pictures of my new baby. Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm-4NJ3gwTo
  2. My life with 505 wagons started when I bought a dead 86 GL from a customer (I'm a professional mechanic). I got it for my wife when our son was 6 months old. She fell in love with it and I began to appreciate the good design and space utilization. Anyway, this project started with another car I purchased from a customer in 2000 that needed more work than he was willing to pay for (that's pretty much how I get all my cars. In my 40 years of driving I've purchased 2 cars in running condition). It was a 89 Turbo Wagon auto with about 95K miles in beautiful shape. I put it back on the road and about 4 years later it needed a head. I took one off a parts car and had the machine work done. The cam had bad lobe wear so I sent the best one I could find to Webb Cams (try googling that) to be reground and hardened. Five years later it needed another head. I never liked the N9TEA engine, it's loud and rough, so I didn't want to put anymore work into it. I parked it and bought another car from a customer, a 89 Volvo 760 2.3t Wagon. Side by side they are almost the same size, but that's where the similarity ends. The Volvo wallows down the road and has no interior space. I was missing the Pug. We had a '87 STX parts car at the shop and I gave into temptation and put the engine and transmission into it. It sounds easier than it is. I did as much online research as I could and found that a V6 swap into a 4 cylinder sedan is popular in Africa. They usually use the 4 cylinder crossmember so the rear flange of the transmission is in the same location. This puts the engine several inches back which means you have to take out some of the firewall and modify the exhaust to clear the steering. I wanted to use the V6 crossmember and have the engine where it belongs. That entails a custom length torque tube and driveshaft. I spent hours measuring to figure out the exact length so the rear wheels would be in the correct location. I took a tube and shaft form a 5 speed to a machine shop and had them shortened. I used a horse collar transmission mount and made support brackets to strengthen the area (see the pictures). I knew the FI and ignition harnesses would have to be changed but hoped the body and instrument harnesses would just plug in. No. Most of the wiring forward of the front seats is different. I also cut the brackets (for the air filter, etc.) and battery tray from the STX and welded them in place. The suspension and brakes from the STX were too bad to use and since the parts are made out of unobtainium I used the original ones from the Turbo. The fore-aft location of the control arm mounting is 9mm different between the two crossmembers so I had to modify the control arms as well. The parts car didn't have a radiator and I couldn't find a new one or even a good used one, so I put in an aluminum Ford radiator from Summit Racing and made brackets, etc. to make it work. It is 1 inch thicker so I cut that much off of the shroud. The hoses were more fun. Yes, that is a custom model designation made from SW8 and STX emblems. So, whats the bottom line? It's smooth, quiet, peppy, fun to drive. Worth it? Debatable. If I knew upfront how much it would take, I would not have even started. It was a "spare time" project and took 2 1/2 years. I had a lift to use and many fabrication tools plus 35 years experience. Doing a project like this in a home garage would be even harder. If anyone else out there is thinking about it, therapy is cheaper. I'm curious, how many verifiable V6 wagons are there in the world? The only other one I know of is the in New Zealand. From the pictures it looks like they used the 4 cylinder crossmember. Does anyone know of another? I would be happy to answer any questions. Tim
  3. Hello everyone, Okay, so the thing is, in short form, I have installed a ZPJ V6 engine from 605 to 505 gti. And as I really dont know how common this particular engine swap is worldwide, and because I think many of you would like to see my version of it, I registered to this forum. The car had 2.0l ZEJ-engine as I got it. But lets begin with the project itself. So two years ago I bought a really nice looking 505 GTI from "not so convincing" owner. So the car was leaking gasoline and didnt start even after half minutes of start grinding, the electricity was done bad REALLY BAD, test drive was total disaster, but yet so hilarious as we saw that the previous owner didnt know anything about cars. But I was in love for the 505, especially for this one, hence the paintwork and additional lights and the price wasn't so bad, so I bought it. The price was tight, and it wasn't negotiable because "It would bring bad luck", said the previous owner. I can't even imagine what would happen if we had even slightest bad luck with us! So after we came down to our home city, the car almost bursted into flames.. There was smoke coming inside the interior carpet, luckily we managed to locate the faulty switch, that was the engine fan's on/off switch that the previous owner had re-located inside the cabin.. So now you see why I teared the whole car upside down to get rid of the sh*tty wiring and stuff. The whole car's electricity system was f**ked up, and I got two plastic bags of wires that I threw away. The wires were build following this rule: about 7 cm wire (3"), then a connector, and same again.. And the most of the connector's weren't even protected in any way! At this point, as most of the wires needed complete rebuild, I hit my eyes on my extra ZPJ engine, which I had bought for spareparts to my 605 SV 3.0. So that's where everything started. First of all, I built a stand for the ZPJ engine, and by doing so I figured it was running and in good condition. I knew it would not be easy to fit the 3.0l frontwheeldrive engine to the 505, as the oilpan, clutch cover and enginemounting's will not fit straight. I didnt know that the pedals, distributor and the whole brake system required heavy modding as well. As the V6 engine was in good condition, it was time to get the proper gearbox and clutch cover. I found the gearbox from V-M. I used BA10/5 box in this vehicle. My friend made the clutch cover from combining the 505 Turbo Injection clutch cover and the 605 SV3.0 clutch cover. After plenty of measuring and fitting, we had a clutch cover, that connected the BA10/5 to the zpj engine. We fit the Turbo Injection's hydraulic clutch cylinder to our clutch cover. So now that the clutch cover was ready, we needed proper bottom end to engine, otherwise the oilpan doesn't fit. I used the same that can be found in ZN3J, it fits directly to ZPJ. It was time to first fit test and bang, the powerbrake and climate blower was in the way, so I removed them. After that, the engine fits in its place quite nice. At this point, I knew I have to mod the powerbrake system and distributor in order to get the pedal box fit. So I used 205 gti's powerbrake, a 605 brake master cylinder, and lowered the pedalbox 5 cm (2"), turned the distributor 120 degrees with the help from my friend and mod the valvecover very little.. After those "little" tweaks, as I call them, the engine fitted in place just fine. So now I needed the engine mountings.. This was the end of summer 2012, and as I dont have an garage,and it is really nasty to do anything outside during winter time as your fingers freeze and drop out, there was an inevitable break.. All good stories come with sequals, so will this one too Just kidding, but I have been writing this for an 1.5 hours now and clock is eleven at night + early morning, so I will continue writing this tomorrow.. If anybody has or has done, or you know somebody that has or has done similar project, I am more than happy to hear about that. I will add millions (maybe not millions, but at least 10 ) of images later also.. By the way, I have couple of videos in youtube about this car. This may be the best one: Best regards, Wales
  4. I bought a '87 505 STI 2.8L V6 Zn3j with ba10/5 transmission earlier this year and have been slowly cleaning it up. The next items to be changed out are the oil pan gasket and the spark plugs. I have done these on other cars and feel comfortable changing them. However, I'd like to know if there are any "special" steps that are required for these two processes with this engine? Also, what are the torque specifications for the oil pan bolts and the spark plugs? I checked the 505 and Zn3j manuals and have not been able to find this info. If you can help I'd really appreciate it.
  5. Here's a PDF as well as the JPEG image files from a scan I did of an article from the February 1982 issue of Auto Hebdo magazine. This concerns the Danielson Series I V6 car, which I didn't even know existed until a few months ago. They did this swap a full five years before Peugeot got around to doing the same thing, and in typical Danielson fashion it was quite the performer, although the fuel consumption appears to have been pretty high. The article suggests that fuel injection might have helped that. This car is the inspiration for one of my 505 build projects. It makes for some interesting reading, even if you don't speak French. Enjoy! Auto Hebdo Feb 82.pdf
  6. I picked up this 1988 GLX for parts to resurrect a 1989 STX. I primarily need some fuel and electronic bits along with the interior carpet, headliner, and sunroof parts. I plan to scrap the body, so if there are any parts you are looking for, post here and I'll let you know if it's usable. Reasonable prices, willing to ship. I hate to scrap a running V6, but with 258k it's probably not worth the effort to pull. But I could be convinced otherwise. Karl Nelson Arlington, VA 703-231-9888
  7. From the album: 1988 505 GLX V6

  8. Wales

    Rearview

    From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    © Wales 2014

  9. Wales

    Frontview

    From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    © Wales 2014

  10. From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    A nice detail made from copper by my friend

    © Wales 2014

  11. From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    Engine at it's present state (Spring 2014)

    © Wales 2014

  12. From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    Engine at it's present state (Spring 2014)

    © Wales 2014

  13. From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    Engine at it's present state (Spring 2014)

    © Wales 2014

  14. From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    © Wales 2014

  15. From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    © Wales 2014

  16. From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    © Wales 2014

  17. From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    © Wales 2014

  18. Wales

    Right Header

    From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    Collector with lambda sensor

    © Wales 2014

  19. From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    Engine with old radiator and still missing alot of parts (including climate blower, vacuum reservoir, etc..)

    © Wales 2014

  20. Wales

    Headlights

    From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    © Wales 2014

  21. Wales

    Left Header

    From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    Collector with Exhaust temperature sensor

    © Wales 2014

  22. From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    Alternator fully installed without wires, powersteering is missing its belt tension system. Powersteering pump's pulley is from 605 powersteering drive pulley (Which is at the end of camshaft in right head)

    © Wales 2014

  23. From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    So there was about 2-3 mm free space around the exhaust headers. It took awhile to fit those even that nice..

    © Wales 2014

  24. From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    The making of picture

    © Wales 2014

  25. From the album: 505 GTI 3.0 V6

    First test fit after making the clutch cover and turning the throttlebody. As you can see, the powerbrake system and climate blower has been taken off the way..

    © Wales 2014

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