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Thanks for Posting Brian That is very interesting information re the radius or ball nuts being good for 60 degree steel wheels and radius alloy wheels, in checking them it does seem that their outer " wider" circumference may be flat at the required 60 degree angle, I don't have any steel wheels here atm to check them on as they were sold when I got the alloys.. But I'm not certain that what I've highlighted in your quote is correct , as the nuts I sent back clearly have 60 degree flat surfaces in contact with the wheel, they are not radiused anywhere. So are you saying that the ball or radiused surfaces in the Peugeot alloy wheels will safely accept this style of 60 degree tapered or cone nuts - and that the 60 degree tapered steel wheels will not ? also the short urls you have posted, just gives a page view of masses of Google search results, actually using google to then go to the original pages of the particular image(s) you want and getting their original location codes will work.

Not quite following this Brian, sorry. Re the two non-peugeot nuts shown in my last post - the nut on the left is a 60 taper nut , the one on the right is a ball or radius nut. They are not both 60 degree nuts I've thought I was clear in saying I was advised that the early 14" and 15" alloys wheels for 505's DID require ball or radius nuts and NOT 60 degree cone or tapered nuts. I am exchanging the set of 60 degree tapered or cone nuts for the ball or radius lug nuts as I only have 80's alloy wheels, I think that is what you are also saying . these are the later ( 1992+) 15" alloys with covers (that I don't have) , I assume you were not referring to these are they are not '80s wheel. ? It has been suggested to me that these have hardened steel seats and are cone or 60 degree seats that the cone two peice nuts I am sending back may fit. - But who knows ? You are not referring to these nuts off a 405 are you ? Because I neither have them not have any idea what type of wheel they would fit. Or these for a 604 steel wheel ?

Yeah, Peugeot were more focused upon the resultant damage to the rims of using the wrong nuts. One of the peugeot replies said that you could probably use the two-piece 60 degree nuts in an emergency, as theoretically the shaft of the nut should move within the washer and the non-matching faces ( 60 degree washer and ball wheel socket face) should just jam together and not actually be gouged along against each other as you tighten, so little immediate permanent damage should occur to the wheel, But if used all the time, theoretically the alloy wheel hole mating surface will be deformed by the more concentrated pressure upon it by the smaller surface area of the steel washer. Even so I suppose it still would not actually loosen up while jammed together with enough force. but hey - that's just what they said to a ignorant newbie like me, if it has actually worked well for you that's great.

After exchanging emails with Peugeot in England and France, and checking with the European manufacturer of what turned out to be one piece nuts 505 nuts with a 60deg face but which looked like the ball Nuts, its been made clear that these "washer" nuts are actually 60degree tapered nuts and are not suitable for the ball seated alloy wheels... Wheel fasteners: Understanding the nuts and bolts of wheel clamping - Automotive Service Professional Quote "the two most commonly found seat styles are the tapered (also called conical, or cone) pictured here on the left; and the radiused, or “ball” style. The two styles must never be mixed. The seat profile in the wheel dictates the nut or bolt seat style. If a tapered fastener is installed to a wheel that features radius seats (or if radius style fasteners are installed to a wheel that features tapered seats), proper clamping force cannot be achieved, and the fasteners are sure to loosen." accordingly I have posted the 16 nuts back to the business I purchased the ball-seated 15" alloy wheels and nuts from, and enclosed sufficient funds to pay the return postage ( insured, registered and trackable) for 16 of the ball nuts. Will post up how it all goes. Its costing me an additional $40 in postage both ways - but there you are. I had started a thread here as well http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/peugeot-forum/116370-505-alloy-nuts-two-types.html

Hi all. I've lurked for some time , but I have joined up because I'm just wanting to get advice that I have not found through reading and google search.. I have just purchased a set of 15" alloys from a business and they have also sent me 20 lug nuts in total, 16 lug nuts that I have never seen before, and also 4 "spare" of the well-known 2-piece "dome" type. They sold me 5 of this type of 15" alloy wheels and 16 of this type of Lug Nut and I have never seen that type before, they are 2-piece with the washer captive but loose within a groove. I have only seen this 2-piece "dome" type before - which they sent me 4 as "spares" and I know of the aftermarket one piece that some have had made up. these are the two 2-piece types that I now have in a photo together my question is , should I return the 16 of the nuts on the right and ask for 16 of the type on the left, or should I just use them ? I'm wanting to make sure I know what I'm talking about as I don't want to put the business off-side - I need/intend to use them again. I've got one helpful private PM from this forum to say that the 16 on the right are NOT ok to use on these alloys - can anyone confirm this and perhaps tell me what rims they are supposed to be used on ? thanks